Event/TB Stallion suggestions please.

Seriously speaking as somebody who has bred racehorses for 30 yrs the mare is the more important part of the equation which most people who have a mare forget about as their heart rules their head.Ask yourself seriously if the stallion was like your mare in any way would you use him at stud,if the answer is no why are you breeding from her as there are enough difficult horses about without adding to them.
I am sorry if this is blunt but i have very strong views on indiscriminate breeding.
 
As magic 104 and popdosh say the mare has more influence than the stallion. If I were going for an eventing stallion then Mill Law would be my favorite. He did well himself and he now has lots of stock coming through that are successful in eventing and the evaluations.
Personally with a TB mare I'd go for something like Vechta though.
 
Very interesting thoughts on the mare side for boldness.... My broodmare who is by Tudorville (leading event stallion about 20yrs ago) was incredibly brave across country, infact she has NEVER had a refusel. Her mother who raced had 3 foals and was put in to affiliated eventing at 11 at novice level also never had a refusel...

Her 6yo daughter Amberville who is now pre novice eventing has had consistant double clears and placed everytime...

I think mare has massive input.

I have had another foal from my mare this year, this time to teffys warmblood international grade A. So lets hope this is the Badminton one lol!

If anyone is interested i would loan my mare out for breeding, she has always caught first time and foaled with out any problems!
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Seriously speaking as somebody who has bred racehorses for 30 yrs the mare is the more important part of the equation which most people who have a mare forget about as their heart rules their head.Ask yourself seriously if the stallion was like your mare in any way would you use him at stud,if the answer is no why are you breeding from her as there are enough difficult horses about without adding to them.
I am sorry if this is blunt but i have very strong views on indiscriminate breeding.

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popsdosh, i too have very strong views on indiscriminate breeding. i know people who breed crap to crap and hope to get something good. yeah, right. as if that's going to happen.
however, as i stated, this foal is to be for me (i have only ever sold 1 of the horses i have bred, and that was as a mature dr schoolmistress after her eventing days were over, she is still in that home, very cherished, and i will buy her back if ever necessary, as the owners know.) i am not flooding the market with rubbish youngstock from inferior mares here. please save your criticism for the thousands of people who do just that.
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my mare has a lot going for her - good breeding, a truly fabulous temperament (the best i've ever known), great jump, immense bravery, clever xc, good conformation. she has rubbish feet, as i have said, and an untraceable (so far) physical problem, hence the lay-off. if she was absolute crap, i would not breed from her.
also, i am prepared to spend a lot to put a really good stallion on her.
i do not expect to be criticised for breeding something expressedly for myself in the future in this way.
 
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Can I ask why does the stallion have to have evented or proven eventing background? I would have thought it more important that the conformation type fits & if old enough the offspring have shown promise. I only ask because there are offspring eventing who are either from a ex racing TB stallion or one that is competed in dressage/SJ'g. Boldness is not always passed on & that is one of the main aspects of an eventer. They need good paces, bold enough for XC & careful enough for SJ'g. Jendali had excellent feet for a TB by the way. They dont do AI & I think it maybe too far to travel.

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magic104, i definitely never said that the stallion needs to have evented. i said i want to breed an eventer, huge difference!
personally i don't think it makes any difference whether the stallion has evented or not. i used Welton Apollo years ago on a v. good scopey mare, and you couldn't get an event stallion at the time with more experience, and the resulting youngster was, unfortunately, nothing special. very trainable, but untalented - absolute ceiling was 2*.
 
I am sorry you took offence at my comments, they were not aimed at you or your mare, my remarks could have been worded differently .I was trying to enthasise the care that needs to be taken when considering breeding from a mare, as the mare is more important than the stallion.
 
I think one set of wise words i heard rececently was have a good look at your mare.... Would you like something exactly the same as her?

Because more often than not they come out looking exactly like their mum! most of mine have!
 
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Chilli Morning.

Don't know why I keep suggesting him. But he's gaining in popularity, and is now going to some advanced mares. A friend has two or three by him (I think they're two year olds now.... although could be three. where does time go). And they were winning their inhand classes at county level easily. So obviously well put together.

He has a super temprement, and is nicely put together.

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ditto this,, saw him at the stallion parade at badders and i know why i keep going on about him, hes was fantastic, calm and workman like, moved well, jumped brilliantly, and was a picture of a serious athlete!! I didnt get close enough to see his legs and pick his confo apart but the overall picture stood out as simply stunning!! ooo and to add jaw dropping gallop!!!
 
Thats so true Those are the best words I will take them and from now on ask our future customers if this is what they would like a possible copy of the mare.
the mares seem to dictate shape and type more than the sire.
 
daisychain, i'd be very happy with one that looks exactly the same as my mare, with better feet!
i've not bred a single one that really looked like its mum, actually. my FO one doesn't look like either parent, i think it's a changeling!
i was told Chilli Morning passed his grading on Performance but would have failed on Conformation. does anyone know if this is true, please?
thanks popsdosh, yes, i agree.
 
I was told Chilli Morning passed his grading on Performance but would have failed on Conformation - That is the rumour & trying to remember but sure someone can confirm it related to the front legs/and or feet. I am sure if you did a search it would come up again because it has been mentioned on a previous post.
 
okay, thanks.
i've been told Fleetwater Opposition failed his grading too though...! is that true?
btw, Alflora is definitely out - his dam is full sister to Katy's grandsire Ardross, i think that's a bit too close! i'm not expert enough to try line breeding etc...
 
Also, books do recognise that there needs to be a selection of stallions available so they have nothing to lose by accepting an otherwise exceptional individual who might mature slightly lighter or heavier than the breed standard, especially if it looks more or less as desired at presentation, since that suggests it's not going to get too far off in the end. A horse that is already very heavy or clearly way behind in maturity and consequently very light is not as good a bet as it is UNLIKELY to mature close to the ideal. If by some fluke it does (apparently Chilli Morning's situation) then great, represent without prejudice.

The above does not indicate a problem with conformation just maturity
 
hey kerilli,
I've chosen 'Wish upon a star' this time, there is not too much out there Tb wise that i would use with something not so great feet.
I've been very happy with both my Jumbo youngsters but the pennys where too tight this year to go again.
Mill law is 7/8 or 15/16 Tb and i have 2 v nice ones there but the one out of my TB ADV mare who didn't have the best feet in the world seams to have passed on a little bit of the same.
You can come have a look at them if you like
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Hiya!
Really sorry to hear about Katy but at least you'll have plenty of time to work with your babies now.
I'm really pleased with my filly by Kings Composer who is available by AI now, my mare is going back to him this year.
Interestingly baby is identical to mother but a little stronger. The last filly out of this mare was nothing like her!
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Your mare looks a lovely type and as you say if you were to be critical is a little weak in the neck (typical TB set on a bit low). You say she is very brave so I'd go for a WB with a good percentage of TB in it. Having seen Billy Landretti at Houghton and Barbury who looks an out and out 4* type I'd look at the stallions at the Billy stud.
 
I used Grafenstolz a three weeks ago and my mare took first time. I used him because of his competition record, his type, because he is very blood type, his movement which is exceptional, and his temperament which I found to be very good. The price was right, the conditions were right, and he got my mare pregnant first time. Perfect. Since then I see that the owner is offering mares who are not yet pregnant from other stallions, the chance to use Grafenstolz and to pay when the mare is pregnant AND that includes the live foal guarantee. I know the owner isn't liked by some on this forum, but I love his stallion and all went perfectly for me.
 
I forgot to say, that for next year I have done a super deal on Mighty Magic, am looking hard at Watermill Swatch xx and will almost certainly use Grafenstolz again.
 
Glad you had a good experience Boblette. Would be keen to see your Mighty Magic foal when you have it!!! We almost got to use Watermill Swatch this year but they ran out of frozen and we did not want to ship the mare with foal at foot to Ireland. Have instead used a young Holdt approved stallion standing at Tannenhof called Contados, who is by Contender and out of a Mytens mare. Very excited to see this baby as the mare has so far had two cracking foals!
 
Certainly not unique terms both of our TB stallions stand on scanned in foal with a live foal gauntee terms and have done for a number of years.
Plenty of others offer similar terms as well
I think many stallion owners are pretty negotiable about swapping stallions if the mare is on site.
Certainly a couple of our stallion owners would offer to do the same
 
I love Wish Upon a Star - he is very chilled out and incredibly generous from what I have seen - and if I had a mare that he suited then he is the first stallion I have seen who would make me consider breeding!

I also like Chilli Morning. Both of those are much nearer me than you so do feel free to come and visit....
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i was told Chilli Morning passed his grading on Performance but would have failed on Conformation. does anyone know if this is true

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I've seen the horse on more than one ocassion up close and personal - and would say that he's well put together, with nothing standing out as a conformational problem.

An experienced handler can make all the difference between getting graded and not getting graded.......
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Chilli morning I believe failed on a front leg, and it not being straight. I may be mistaken though
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Still a lovely stallion and very good temperament
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I also like chilli morning and wish upon a star.

Re coloured stallions, there are very few out eventing at the moment. As you know my boy is out of Masterpiece who sadly died earlier this year. An option could be Masterpieces sire Miley? he doesnt have the same wow factor as masterpiece but he does had some good prodgeny eventing

BRIARLANDS BLACKBERRY - 227 points competing ***

BRIARLANDS MATILDA - 101 points competing *** was second recently in the ** at Longleat

BRIARLANDS BIG APPLE - 69 points previously ridden by Tristram owers and was 8th in an advanced with him.
 
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