Eventing: Showjumping Thread

teapot said:
Rio was down to four riders as the Olympics wanted to bring all three sports in line, so eventing lost ten places and dressage gained ten and now has a team of four.

They're threatening/considering a team of 3 in Tokyo but it's not decided yet especially because of the pressure placed on horses xc
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Yes, surely that idea should be dropped on welfare issues.
 
Lexi_ said:
I can't bear him. I know he has his defenders and they'll probably be along to shout at me but Christ, he needs retiring.

Get one of the Equi Ratings lads on there for stats - the only way I knew what was going on with medal placings was because they're great on Twitter. This is why I was moaning about the lack of a proper leaderboard before. If the Olympic tv company aren't going to provide it, it's even more important that the commentator knows what's going on!
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The stats were simple to work out with the excellent online interactive results supplied by the host website. It was very clear to see the effect of one or two fences down on the final results. It would not have hurt Ian Stark to work it out as the summariser, although he did make a comment about MT's shocking mathematical ability at one point. Maybe he wants rid of him too. Now we have to listen to him talking all over the Dressage where he is even worse. . . Sorry rant over!
 
Madness really - you will without doubt have some riders who will carry on because there's no discard score when really they shouldn't. Maybe it's all part of the grand plan to get rid of Eventing from the Olympics....
 
Biska said:
The stats were simple to work out with the excellent online interactive results supplied by the host website. It was very clear to see the effect of one or two fences down on the final results. It would not have hurt Ian Stark to work it out as the summariser, although he did make a comment about MT's shocking mathematical ability at one point. Maybe he wants rid of him too. Now we have to listen to him talking all over the Dressage where he is even worse. . . Sorry rant over!
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To be fair to MT, their commentary position is pretty basic and I'm not even sure they have access to results online.
 
1 FRA France 169
2 GER Germany 172.8
3 AUS Australia 175.3
4 NZL New Zealand 178.8
5 GBR Great Britain 252.1

Looking at the final team scores, there's +73 points between NZ and GB.

So, I reckon that if WFP & PF both went clear inside the time on the XC yesterday (ie. finished on their dressage scores of 37 + 43.9), and we kept Kitty's score (of 100.4), then we still would have finished on 181.3 and finished fifth.
 
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I would be very wary of going down to 3 team members too - xc doesn't need to be made any more dangerous by riders that have even more impetus to push themselves and the horse too far.
 
Changing the subject slightly, but now the whole team event's over, what selections would folk on here have made differently? Or do you think we sent the best four we could and through lack of experience (and human health in Pippa's case yesterday) didn't get in the medals?
 
I was looking at that before - the Germans come out of it looking better and better. To have two counting scores including cross-country refusals, the other two phases had to be pretty damn good!

Did we rack up a lot more time faults in comparison with them on our rounds that had refusals?

Technology is not my friend at the mo. Am trying to do it all on my phone and it's not helping.
 
Personally I'm glad that eventing dropped from 5 to 4 riders. Having 2 drop scores out of a team of 5 made a bit of a mockery of it being a team competition IMO.

I think 3 with no drop score is too few though. Aside from the welfare issues, I think not having a drop score would make for an interesting team competition, but it would make for a rubbish individual competition because for a good individual comp you need riders to be able to take risks. And having separate competitions like in dressage and sj just isn't feasible for eventing
 
Jo_x said:
Personally I'm glad that eventing dropped from 5 to 4 riders. Having 2 drop scores out of a team of 5 made a bit of a mockery of it being a team competition IMO.

I think 3 with no drop score is too few though. Aside from the welfare issues, I think not having a drop score would make for an interesting team competition, but it would make for a rubbish individual competition because for a good individual comp you need riders to be able to take risks. And having separate competitions like in dressage and sj just isn't feasible for eventing
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Eventing used to be split into team and individual from the start of the dressage onwards though?
 
TheOldTrout said:
Changing the subject slightly, but now the whole team event's over, what selections would folk on here have made differently? Or do you think we sent the best four we could and through lack of experience (and human health in Pippa's case yesterday) didn't get in the medals?
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I think I banged on about this sufficiently yesterday ! I reckon they were the best four and we just don't have enough strength in depth. I personally wouldn't have picked Zara or Tina over the ones in the team and we had very few other options when you rule out the injuries to Arctic Soul (not that anyone favoured him over this course anyway) and Izzy's horse and the relative lack of form of Nicola Wilson's 3/4* horses. And everyone was mooing about WFP being our dubious choice and he's the best result out of the four!!
 
teapot said:
Eventing used to be split into team and individual from the start of the dressage onwards though?
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Wasn't that only for a couple of Olympics? My memory doesn't stretch back that far and I don't recall it at recent games...
 
Northern Hare said:
1 FRA France 169
2 GER Germany 172.8
3 AUS Australia 175.3
4 NZL New Zealand 178.8
5 GBR Great Britain 252.1

Looking at the final team scores, there's +73 points between NZ and GB.

So, I reckon that if WFP & PF both went clear inside the time on the XC yesterday (ie. finished on their dressage scores of 37 + 43.9), and we kept Kitty's score (of 100.4), then we still would have finished on 181.3 and finished fifth.
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Very interesting thank you. We clearly have a lot of work to do if we want to be competitive.
 
I would like to see Michael Jung win because he seems to have such a great relationship with Sam.
Can't say I'm keen on Phillip Ditton.

Also know this is top 25 if someone fell off would they then drop below the ones who aren't jumping again?
 
Did they say during one of the earlier rounds that Alex Hua Tian wasn't coming out for the second round or did I entirely mishear that?
 
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