Exmoor ponies being culled

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I am fairly sure you've all seen this in the news this week & how the EPS being slow in issuing passports has allegedly led to ponies being slaughtered.

The herd involved has history of running non Exmoor stallions with the mares & they didn't DNA test the mares & stallions.

The ponies could have had & did have eventually ID passports.

Please don't take the fanatical headline to be true. The whole thing is badly researched & not true.
 
It's so soul destroying to read this!
If only those particular breeders bothered to follow the breed society guidelines then they wouldn't have a problem! Then they compound things by going to the press, when the problem was totally caused by themselves in the first place! :mad3:
 
Thank you for clarifying, Dave's mam - I thought it was a bit dubious, I mean why would a proper ethical breeder cull ponies that so much time, thought, money and energy has gone into breeding? Doesn't make sense :eek:
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
It's so soul destroying to read this!
If only those particular breeders bothered to follow the breed society guidelines then they wouldn't have a problem! Then they compound things by going to the press, when the problem was totally caused by themselves in the first place! :mad3:
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Anything for a bit of drama and press! Just like how they also put a clyde to an exmoor, then sold the results at market for nothing. They have no place being in the business, but if they have a little fame what do they care.
 
Controversy over these herds and the associated press that it generates only ever materialises in conjunction with the publicity for an impending book.

Dave's Mam is right. The only reason these ponies needed DNA'd is because their breeding is questionable due to the unregistered, cross bred and completely different breeds that may have been running with them.

As for them perhaps being culled ... stop producing them for the sake of it. If you can't feed them, don't breed them.
 
Makes a good story for the people who don't know the background though!! When I saw the story and who was involved I was dubious immediately but horsey friends who didn't know were horrified!
 
its worth repeating that this breeder currently bleating about having to cull his ponies, is the same one that stuck a Shire/Clyde stallion out with some Exmoor mares a few years ago and the one responsible for the orphaned cremello cross Exmoor foal currently being raised by a friend of theirs. you know the one, the 'planned and wanted breeding' that they then wouldn't pay the bills for.

*awaits threatening PMs and infraction*
 
MotherOfChickens said:
its worth repeating that this breeder currently bleating about having to cull his ponies, is the same one that stuck a Shire/Clyde stallion out with some Exmoor mares a few years ago and the one responsible for the orphaned cremello cross Exmoor foal currently being raised by a friend of theirs. you know the one, the 'planned and wanted breeding' that they then wouldn't pay the bills for.

*awaits threatening PMs and infraction*
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I feel like the word breeder needs to be written in inverted commas. So called breeders like that are why there is such a massive equine overpopulation crisis in the UK.
 
Responsible breeders don't have a problem getting the correct passports I assume? They know that registrations have to be passed through council and the last date for that.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
you won't, because the person who runs that page isn't the breeder-if you do some HHO sleuthing you'll get more of the story

e.g.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?711424-Cross-breeding-differnt-sizes-follow-up
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Thank you MOC, I had a look at this too - http://people4ponies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/brendon-fair.html
Pics aren't great but from what I can tell from that thread you shared and the blog post that's the clyde x exie foals and their sire. Makes me wonder what became of the foals...poor little things didn't ask to come into a world with such idiots did they? :(
I hope they didn't end up suffering somewhere or being dumped, no pony regardless of breeding deserves that, but I do feel no one with sense would want such a bonkers cross, particularly one with potentially dodgy conformation.
Breeding with such a size differential is just stupid - even doing it the other way round, as here (https://minigypsy.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/a-tale-of-another-breed-attempt-to-miniaturize/) has always struck me as pretty dumb, though there was a successful attempt to cross a 15.3 akhal teke onto an 11.2 Welsh A at solaris sport horses a few years ago...but it could have been very different.
 
This whole issue was started as yet another way to throw dirt at the EPS - and we all know why. In my opinion it has backfired, as almost everyone who has commented on the tv clips - Sky, Points West and Westward news - has condemned the unfeeling breeders who will overbreed and then cull when no sales are apparent. Not the result the instigator of all this publicity had hoped for! As well as 3 tv channels at least 3 newpapers have covered the story. Just a pity that all this journalistic talent can't be put to better use!
 
there have been successful TB x Exmoors and I believe, lusitano x exmoor. neither cross made more than about 14h and the TB crosses were nice from what I saw of them. even if the mare's size governs foal size (and I'm not sure I agree with a size difference of that magnitude) its wrong imo to put such a big stallion in with 12.2h mares-I don't know how many of them there were.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
there have been successful TB x Exmoors and I believe, lusitano x exmoor. neither cross made more than about 14h and the TB crosses were nice from what I saw of them. even if the mare's size governs foal size (and I'm not sure I agree with a size difference of that magnitude) its wrong imo to put such a big stallion in with 12.2h mares-I don't know how many of them there were.
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This. 100%. Agree. /\
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MotherOfChickens said:
there have been successful TB x Exmoors and I believe, lusitano x exmoor. neither cross made more than about 14h and the TB crosses were nice from what I saw of them. even if the mare's size governs foal size (and I'm not sure I agree with a size difference of that magnitude) its wrong imo to put such a big stallion in with 12.2h mares-I don't know how many of them there were.
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I believe 5 Exmoor mares were used the first time, only 2 of which produced foals.
 
I guess what I was trying to say in my OP was to try & see past the sensational & emotive headline & do what the media should have done & do a bit of research, but from the replies, I see I am preaching to the already converted.
 
Dave's Mam said:
I guess what I was trying to say in my OP was to try & see past the sensational & emotive headline & do what the media should have done & do a bit of research, but from the replies, I see I am preaching to the already converted.
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from what I've seen on FB where this has been brought up-the breeder has come off worst. although I've had some mad American bint follow me around calling me an EPS troll. bit ironic when a) I'm not a member b) own a Section X gelding so doing my bit as it were.
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
No matter where "blame" or "fault" lies; one cannot but feel so sorry for these poor sad little ponies, brought into the world and then immediately not wanted :(

Why why oh why do people do this?
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Maybe just because they can or they believe an empty uterus is useless, I don't get it either
I did wonder when I first read the article about the difficulty they seemed to be having as a ploy to get people
to buy these foals whether they wanted them or not or else they would be killed

I then remembered the Taffety discussion and wondered how that was going in Dartmoor, you can either buy it to ride, drive, use it as a companion, use it for conservation or buy a chuck of it and eat it
http://www.dartmoorconservationmeat.co.uk/
 
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