Exmoor ponies being culled

I'm sure exmoors do make nice crosses, I think I remember an xTB one, but surely it makes emminently more sense to use an exmoor sire?
 
Leo Walker said:
There were 2 possibly 3 of this cross and from what I remember they made nice ponies.
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having had both breeds at the same time, I'm not sure I'd want to deal with those metabolic genes lol. I don't see the need to cross either tbh but then i tend to think there's enough breeds to do the jobs people want anyway.
 
ester said:
I'm sure exmoors do make nice crosses, I think I remember an xTB one, but surely it makes emminently more sense to use an exmoor sire?
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Piglet, the wonderful eventer was part Exmoor :)

Thing is, these 'misguided' people are not even trying to breed from good examples on either side, moan like hell when parentage is questioned, then blame anyone apart from themselves......
 
The point of the Exmoor farmers speaking to the media over their concerns about Exmoor Pony Society registrations and passporting issues, was not actually about the (very important) number of purebred Exmoors being excluded from the stud book currently. It was born out of complete frustration about the year after year delays in registering their foals out of PEDIGREE MARES sired by PEDIGREE STALLIONS. There appear to be serious 'anomalies' in the EPS DNA source data. There are also continual 'mistakes' in data capture. Further, herd owners are encouraged by the society to not put foals forward for inspection at all, being told their foals are 'too difficult to register' and 'there is no market for them.
This is absolute tosh, because, when the source data is correct and paperwork is supplied on time, allowing marketing efforts to successfully find buyers - they are not difficult to register and homes can be found. Foals need to find homes in the autumn - not the following year. And perhaps the recent pictures of what winter can be like on Exmoor demonstrates very well what the moorland farmers have to deal with - and why they need to find homes for foals in the autumn not the following August - or never?!
Basically, we're fed up on Exmoor of the incompetence and obstructions with the current registration process.
The society promotes the fact it is 'voluntary' to register ponies with it. But currently, if you don't, then your pony is actually not considered to be an 'Exmoor pony'. There is no alternative registration process other than this society - which discriminates, ostracises, and excludes - apparently as it wishes....
It's about time the EPS acknowledged its mistakes and stopped routing perfectly good Exmoor ponies to slaughter and exclusion from the stud book. And it is about time that EPS officials, trustees, officers and members, who 'diss' the moorland farmers trying to safeguard the true, authentic Exmoor ponies, are held to account.
Basically, we're fed up with incompetence, obstructions, denigration and an apparent disregard for our ponies. This thread is yet another example of what the Exmoor farmers are up against.
Why don't you all ask WHY perfectly good moorbred Exmoor ponies, from 2014, who passed inspection and had their DNA verified, haven't been issued with pedigree passports? And why no DNA results have yet been received for an entire foal crop from 2015?
This needs sorting out. Listen to the farmers, or the herds won't be there. Is this what you want? Less work and more rare breed funding? And more chance of winning rosettes when there are so few Exmoors in the show ring? Sort it out.
 
Dawn, as a commoner in the NF I am interested in your registration process then. I haven't had any trouble registered any foals that are forest bred. How should it work with Exmoor ponies?
 
The EPS is not routing any ponies to slaughter, it is up to breeders what they do with them, no one else is routing them to slaughter.

Who does the DNA parentage testing for EPS?
 
DawnWestcott said:
The point of the Exmoor farmers speaking to the media over their concerns about Exmoor Pony Society registrations and passporting issues, was not actually about the (very important) number of purebred Exmoors being excluded from the stud book currently. It was born out of complete frustration about the year after year delays in registering their foals out of PEDIGREE MARES sired by PEDIGREE STALLIONS. There appear to be serious 'anomalies' in the EPS DNA source data. There are also continual 'mistakes' in data capture. Further, herd owners are encouraged by the society to not put foals forward for inspection at all, being told their foals are 'too difficult to register' and 'there is no market for them.
This is absolute tosh, because, when the source data is correct and paperwork is supplied on time, allowing marketing efforts to successfully find buyers - they are not difficult to register and homes can be found. Foals need to find homes in the autumn - not the following year. And perhaps the recent pictures of what winter can be like on Exmoor demonstrates very well what the moorland farmers have to deal with - and why they need to find homes for foals in the autumn not the following August - or never?!
Basically, we're fed up on Exmoor of the incompetence and obstructions with the current registration process.
The society promotes the fact it is 'voluntary' to register ponies with it. But currently, if you don't, then your pony is actually not considered to be an 'Exmoor pony'. There is no alternative registration process other than this society - which discriminates, ostracises, and excludes - apparently as it wishes....
It's about time the EPS acknowledged its mistakes and stopped routing perfectly good Exmoor ponies to slaughter and exclusion from the stud book. And it is about time that EPS officials, trustees, officers and members, who 'diss' the moorland farmers trying to safeguard the true, authentic Exmoor ponies, are held to account.
Basically, we're fed up with incompetence, obstructions, denigration and an apparent disregard for our ponies. This thread is yet another example of what the Exmoor farmers are up against.
Why don't you all ask WHY perfectly good moorbred Exmoor ponies, from 2014, who passed inspection and had their DNA verified, haven't been issued with pedigree passports? And why no DNA results have yet been received for an entire foal crop from 2015?
This needs sorting out. Listen to the farmers, or the herds won't be there. Is this what you want? Less work and more rare breed funding? And more chance of winning rosettes when there are so few Exmoors in the show ring? Sort it out.
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Post reported.
 
Foals need to find homes in the autumn - not the following year. And perhaps the recent pictures of what winter can be like on Exmoor demonstrates very well what the moorland farmers have to deal with - and why they need to find homes for foals in the autumn not the following August - or never?!
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You appear to be openly admitting that you breed animals on the moor that can't survive on the moor.

Shame on you.
 
I’m so gratified to see that in all the arious media outlets who have covered this ‘story’ and on this post, that common sense is prevailing. No matter what the ‘breeder’ claims to be the hold up (which they seem to be suffering from in virtual isolation and which doesn’t seem to be a major factor for anyone else in the breed who actually keep proper records), choosing to cull animals year on year because they can’t sell them is bad business at best, abject stupidity at worst.

Still, for the uneducated, it might sell a few more books. And after all, isn't that what this is really all about? Like someone else said, this talent for attracting media attention with emotive (if less than truthful) stories could be used in so many other ways to benefit the breed and Society. Just a shame it’s continually misdirected and abused.
 
It is a shame, though not terribly unexpected that after taking the time to post that wall of text/rant yesterday Dawn did not stick around to answer any of the very valid questions arising from it. As such I don't think it is going to change anyone's mind on the situation.
 
I think the fact that posters can't be silenced on here when they question stuff, which is what happens on other social media under their control, means that answers will probably not be forthcoming. thank heavens there is somewhere there can be questions of breeding practices rather than a hothouse of fans who can't see past the cute foal photos.
 
Basically, we're fed up on Exmoor of the incompetence and obstructions with the current registration process.

The above is a quote from Dawn Westcott's post.

For those of you who don't know, the vast majority of the owners of herds that run ponies on the moor are quite satisfied with the registration process. By use of the royal 'We' the writer is suggesting that all herds on Exmoor have trouble with registration. This is absolutely untrue. Dawn Westcott does not herself run ponies on the moor, they are all kept inground. There are just a few herds that have trouble with registration, but the answer is NOT to cull the ponies, but to cut down on breeding so many until the market improves. If you can't sell them the answer is simple - don't breed them!!
 
Heatherbelle said:
Basically, we're fed up on Exmoor of the incompetence and obstructions with the current registration process.

The above is a quote from Dawn Westcott's post.

For those of you who don't know, the vast majority of the owners of herds that run ponies on the moor are quite satisfied with the registration process. By use of the royal 'We' the writer is suggesting that all herds on Exmoor have trouble with registration. This is absolutely untrue. Dawn Westcott does not herself run ponies on the moor, they are all kept inground. There are just a few herds that have trouble with registration, but the answer is NOT to cull the ponies, but to cut down on breeding so many until the market improves. If you can't sell them the answer is simple - don't breed them!!
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Wise words ^^
 
Heatherbelle said:
Basically, we're fed up on Exmoor of the incompetence and obstructions with the current registration process.

The above is a quote from Dawn Westcott's post.

For those of you who don't know, the vast majority of the owners of herds that run ponies on the moor are quite satisfied with the registration process. By use of the royal 'We' the writer is suggesting that all herds on Exmoor have trouble with registration. This is absolutely untrue. Dawn Westcott does not herself run ponies on the moor, they are all kept inground. There are just a few herds that have trouble with registration, but the answer is NOT to cull the ponies, but to cut down on breeding so many until the market improves. If you can't sell them the answer is simple - don't breed them!!
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Doing some research on the number of Herds on Exmoor, why is it that, according to the TV coverage, only two Herds of the 21 have this problem. Is it because of mismanagement by these two Herds, ie: not getting all there stock DNAd before the stud book closed, then along comes a saviour who blames the EPS for the short coming of these two Herds.
 
Heatherbelle said:
Basically, we're fed up on Exmoor of the incompetence and obstructions with the current registration process.

The above is a quote from Dawn Westcott's post.

For those of you who don't know, the vast majority of the owners of herds that run ponies on the moor are quite satisfied with the registration process. By use of the royal 'We' the writer is suggesting that all herds on Exmoor have trouble with registration. This is absolutely untrue. Dawn Westcott does not herself run ponies on the moor, they are all kept inground. There are just a few herds that have trouble with registration, but the answer is NOT to cull the ponies, but to cut down on breeding so many until the market improves. If you can't sell them the answer is simple - don't breed them!!
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Well said Heatherbelle, could not have out it better myself.
 
Spartacus said:
Doing some research on the number of Herds on Exmoor, why is it that, according to the TV coverage, only two Herds of the 21 have this problem. Is it because of mismanagement by these two Herds, ie: not getting all there stock DNAd before the stud book closed, then along comes a saviour who blames the EPS for the short coming of these two Herds.
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The majority of the free living herds on Exmoor are carefully managed, with great care taken over selection of breeding stock and identification of the progeny to the correct parents. A minority of free living herd owners do not seem to be able to grasp that in order to be registered in a stud book the animals must be of known parentage and seem to think that as long as it is brown and has a mealy muzzle that is enough. They do not seem to comprehend that to do that would undo years of hard work by a dedicated group of breeders who have ensured the continuation of all the bloodlines within the breed structure. Frankly, it breaks my heart to see a breed I have loved for many years being threatened by one manipulative person..
 
Daughter of the Moor said:
The majority of the free living herds on Exmoor are carefully managed, with great care taken over selection of breeding stock and identification of the progeny to the correct parents. A minority of free living herd owners do not seem to be able to grasp that in order to be registered in a stud book the animals must be of known parentage and seem to think that as long as it is brown and has a mealy muzzle that is enough. They do not seem to comprehend that to do that would undo years of hard work by a dedicated group of breeders who have ensured the continuation of all the bloodlines within the breed structure. Frankly, it breaks my heart to see a breed I have loved for many years being threatened by one manipulative person..
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That is the situation in a nutshell. This whole business has been brought into the spotlight to try yet again to discredit the EPS by someone with a personal vendetta.
 
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Chinchilla said:
Thank you MOC, I had a look at this too - http://people4ponies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/brendon-fair.html
Pics aren't great but from what I can tell from that thread you shared and the blog post that's the clyde x exie foals and their sire. Makes me wonder what became of the foals...poor little things didn't ask to come into a world with such idiots did they? :(
I hope they didn't end up suffering somewhere or being dumped, no pony regardless of breeding deserves that, but I do feel no one with sense would want such a bonkers cross, particularly one with potentially dodgy conformation.
Breeding with such a size differential is just stupid - even doing it the other way round, as here.
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Thought you might be interested to know that I am told the colt was sold to a private buyer for£350. They have nothing but trouble healthwise with him, infected gelding site, massive worm burden which they cannot shift, and very feral. Just what I've been told.
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
Dawn, this forum is not the place for you to peddle parts of information regarding the 'issues'.
The whole sorry tale would be a huge help to others reading this thread, but then that wouldn't reflect well, would it?
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‘Fuzzy Furry’ what a weird thing to say. Which EPS person are you - why hide behind the fake name? Although the tone of your posts is tiresomely familiar. I thought I’d made things pretty clear in my post about the ongoing issues in trying to register moorland Exmoor foals. And no, it doesn’t reflect well at all and needs sorting out.
 
Heatherbelle said:
That is the situation in a nutshell. This whole business has been brought into the spotlight to try yet again to discredit the EPS by someone with a personal vendetta.
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That is SO misleading and disrespectful to the Exmoor moorland farmers Heatherbelle! With EPS ‘issues’ in identifying pedigree registered parents; failing to issue pedigree passports to foals that passed inspection and were DNA verified; failing to confirm DNA and apparently ‘losing’ samples years after being sent them; incorrectly recording mare and foal combinations at inspection - and missing ponies out of data capture - it’s clear there ARE big problems with EPS management and processes. That’s not a ‘vendetta’ - it’s expressing concerns about Exmoors whose lives are put in jeopardy and ruined as a result. Perhaps time you stopped dissing the farmers/land owners asking for improvements and started researching the actual facts?
 
Oh good you are back, how interesting that you picked up on those two posts to reply to but have failed to respond to posts that asked direct questions about the situation............

Hashrouge I imagine TFF thinks it swings quite close to the defamation rules on the forum.
 
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