Exmoor ponies being culled

Chinchilla said:
When she slanders me off on FB I will hold you lot responsible then eh ;)

But what I said was, "This thread makes me incredibly incredibly sad; after all it's the ponies who will suffer in the end for it. People need to take some flipping responsibility."

I would like to add - as has been reiterated many many times already - it is not the EPS sending ponies to slaughter, it is their owners, unless you want to tell me EPS members (Fuzzy Furry, do you have something to 'fess up!? ;) ) have been sneaking onto the property of this "breeder" and shooting their "purebred" ponies. No one who is passionate about a breed is going to be sending it to slaughter; this stinks of a want for publicity and drama. But if the horse world wanted drama, we'd read the tabloids - dragging a worthy society's name through the mud is just underhand and unnecessary. As a longtime lover of all native breeds and supporter for those who work to better them as a breed, I do not for one second think the EPS are responsible for the registration troubles of this "breeder" of "purebreds".!
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Don't worry, Chinchilla, we've all been through the slander process and lived to tell the tale!!!

A brilliant post, echoing the thoughts of us all.
 
DawnWestcott said:
There are other factors:
- DNA hasn't been collected from all mares
- DNA is collected and lost
- Mares are misidentified
- Mares can't be identified (can't read brands and either not microchipped or microchipped has migrated/failed)
- low marker DNA tests can't successfully distinguish between closely bred herds
- original DNA database source data is incomplete/incorrect
- mare and foal combinations correctly presented by data recorded wrong (mix-ups and missed out ponies)
- Data is recorded at all on DNA samples
- DNA samples mixed up
- DNA samples corrupted
- Failure to issue pedigree passports for foals that passed inspection and were DNA verified
- Failure to supply DNA results years later
- Data recorded incorrectly on passports and in stud book
And so on - believe me, all this happens and this is what we are complaining about.
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If all that is written here is actually true, then it is an absolute disgrace!

HOWEVER I find it very hard to believe that an organisation which has existed for nearly a century and within this time has progressed, managed everything involved with registration, the stud book etc. very well, should suddenly become so inept? The issues outlined here seem to affect a tiny minority, the same minority have been complaining about their problems for the past few years. Other free living moorland herds who are responsibly managed, who have carefully thought out breeding programs, who do not produce large numbers of foals without thought to their future do not appear to encounter registration problems, so why such a difference?
I am sure the EPS is not unique in that it will set down conditions as to what is required for entry into a stud book, all pedigree livestock will have guidance/regulations which need to be adhered to, the basic requirement for entry into any stud book is surely going to be known parentage and both sire and dam registered with relevant society. In days gone by it may have been satisfactory to have a vague idea who parents might be however nowadays, perhaps, possibly or probably are no longer acceptable answers to the parentage question. If an accurate stud book is to be maintained it is essential that correct information is provided.
 
It's actually getting to be a joke right now ..... DW is bringing proper breeders into disrepute (because guess what, proper breeders don't need to crowdfund what they are doing, mind blowing stuff eh.....)
 
This is the third crowd funding she's done. The last two brought in £2000 each. Now shes getting greedy and has upped the ante. She is not a charity so is not audited by anyone, so can do what she likes with the money. Does she also not realise that by giving the disreputable breeders a lifeline they will continue breeding numbers not quality then expect this self appointed Exmoor pony expert to save the day. If she can't afford this hobby, I suggest she cuts her numbers considerably and pays her own bills. At present, she's nothing more than a pony hoarder.
 
If one can't afford to keep their ponies without crowdfunding, then perhaps she should think of cutting her cloth to suit her pocket
 
Dave's Mam said:
& startlingly, there's a new £5000 crowdfunder to sustain the ponies.
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I don't fully understand crowdfunding, is there a link to this? I would like to know what this money being asked for is to be used for

I know there was a crowdfunding for someone who died a pauper and the locals wanted to help out, the limit they set was exactly the amount to pay for the funeral but nothing else
 
There are in excess of 30 Exmoors on this farm. Many of them were bought/rescued as foals from moorland herds to socialise, in the belief that handled ponies would sell better than unhandled ponies straight off the moor. In some cases homes were found, but i believe some are still there 4 years later, and yet she is STILL breeding from her own stock. I don't expect someone else to pay for my ponies' upkeep, but it seems that some people have no qualms about doing so. I believe I am right in saying that if you contribute more than a certain amount to crowdfunding you can demand to see how your money is spent. How she can have the barefaced affrontery to ask for £5,000 to keep her own ponies is beyond me.
 
Heatherbelle said:
There are in excess of 30 Exmoors on this farm. Many of them were bought/rescued as foals from moorland herds to socialise, in the belief that handled ponies would sell better than unhandled ponies straight off the moor. In some cases homes were found, but i believe some are still there 4 years later, and yet she is STILL breeding from her own stock. I don't expect someone else to pay for my ponies' upkeep, but it seems that some people have no qualms about doing so. I believe I am right in saying that if you contribute more than a certain amount to crowdfunding you can demand to see how your money is spent. How she can have the barefaced affrontery to ask for £5,000 to keep her own ponies is beyond me.
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& £2000 just at the end of last year for the Cremello X foal's keep.
 
Oh dear god though, that crowdfunding spiel makes me cringe so hard - "...we're improving breeding stock..."
Um? Since when is outcrossing rare breeds with random mongrels just because they happen to be a pretty colour improving the gene pool? :confused:
I need to leave this thread... I think there's steam coming out of my ears.
 
Yorkshire Dales said:
This is the third crowd funding she's done. The last two brought in £2000 each. Now shes getting greedy and has upped the ante. She is not a charity so is not audited by anyone, so can do what she likes with the money. Does she also not realise that by giving the disreputable breeders a lifeline they will continue breeding numbers not quality then expect this self appointed Exmoor pony expert to save the day. If she can't afford this hobby, I suggest she cuts her numbers considerably and pays her own bills. At present, she's nothing more than a pony hoarder.
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The tax man would probably be interested.
 
Its income, so unless its a charity or a not for profit organisation, with books like Hillside, its taxable. If she is being paid by the NPO its should be in the books.
 
"DNA parentage testing needs to be suspended as a registration requirement, while the EPS gets its database and service up to standard."

QUOTE from Dawn.

So just register any old foal as purebred then eh?
 
“Perhaps DEFRA needs to take over registrations, or provide alternative registration, for Exmoor ponies”.

Perhaps they should, then they’d know all about incompetence :)
 
I see those of us who have posted on this thread are being accused of 'vile remarks' and 'character assassination'. There have been no vile remarks made on this thread, only the truth, and as for character assassination, there is plenty of that on other pages!! As I mentioned before, this thread would never have been started if the tv channels and numerous publications hadn't been fed false information in an attempt to further discredit the EPS. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!!
 
Heatherbelle said:
I see those of us who have posted on this thread are being accused of 'vile remarks' and 'character assassination'. There have been no vile remarks made on this thread, only the truth, and as for character assassination, there is plenty of that on other pages!! As I mentioned before, this thread would never have been started if the tv channels and numerous publications hadn't been fed false information in an attempt to further discredit the EPS. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!!
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Can you put a link to the above? I've posted on this thread so I am intrigued - mind you if its on FaceAche I doubt I will be able to read it unless the public are allowed to read it but not make comments - technology escapes me :D
 
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