Explosive and dangerous and LONG!

My WB is so athletic and elegant he could never pull a cart :eek: There is so much TB blood in the modern day WB to create a very successful sport horse and that is why the WBs dominate in so many disciplines. Training methods may differ country to country, but that's a historic thing - the Germans etc were far ahead of the British in 'collection' you only have to look at showjumping in the 70s to see that.

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Sorry to hear you are having problems :(

When i read your post immediately checked my KWPN geldings breeding but bar a shared great grandparent they are not related. I have no advise as you seem to be doing everything I would already... so i'll describe the similarities...

He has a lovely walk and trot and shocking canter the transition used to be explosive :eek:- all back, teeth, saddle all done regularly and extra visits when problems occur.

I ride him in a Happy Mouth french link he hates anything stronger.

His canter is still poor he tenses in the transition and takes a couple of boingy strides to settle, I'm now working him in a large field and trying to get him to go forward positively from the 1st stride but I've had him almost 2 years and it has been a long and seemingly slow road. He's 9 now and we do everything dressage jumping hunting everything- he responds to variation in his work and outings. I have no aspirations for Grand Prix dressage but I am competitive and wanting to progress so keep working with him and lessons and progress will come i'm positive.

Good luck and hopefully the schooling will help!
 
For what it's worth I think those teeth corrections/niggles you have just had done could make the world of difference. I also agree it could be ulcers and personally I would go the Rantacidine route after you have eliminated the teeth. From the videos (your daughter is a wonderful rider btw :)) it certainly appears to be a pain flight reaction. Very scary for the rider.

It's so darned hard to pinpoint things. My WB was girthy and very aggressive. I had him scoped for ulcers after he showed an improvement on Rantacidine and he did have 3 mild ulcers, one was in the pyloric region which can be more painful particularly to a sensitive horse. He was treated but the temperament didn't improve so he went for a full lameness work up and was found to have chronic sacro illiac dysfunction. This chronic pain caused the ulcers.
 
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I am happy to announce a neighbour has just spent 10k on suspensory ligaments on their newly imported DW.
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I read this post with interest (not for PRs comments) but have to say this has annoyed me immensely. Why on earth would you be happy that someones horse has got problems with its suspensory ligaments? Maybe not how you meant it but it certainly comes across as you're happy as it backs your argument up. As someone who is having a neurectomy on their horse next week as a result of hind suspensory ligament damage (oh and not a WB not that that should matter) I seriously think for you to revel in all the angst those owners must have gone through, is sick! :mad:
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Pale Rider said:
I am happy to announce a neighbour has just spent 10k on suspensory ligaments on their newly imported DW. QUOTE]

I read this post with interest (not for PRs comments) but have to say this has annoyed me immensely. Why on earth would you be happy that someones horse has got problems with its suspensory ligaments? Maybe not how you meant it but it certainly comes across as you're happy as it backs your argument up. As someone who is having a neurectomy on their horse next week as a result of hind suspensory ligament damage (oh and not a WB not that that should matter) I seriously think for you to revel in all the angst those owners must have gone through, is sick!

Well D'sMum, I've obviously read what your take is on my comment, and I have to say you're right.
It does read as though I'm pleased about what's happened, but that's not how I feel. I am sorry it reads like that, it's not meant to but it obviously does.

I won't go into all the background, I'm very cut up about what's happened to this horse, I feel it was avoidable.

It does read badly, I'm sorry for that.
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YasandCrystal said:
My WB is so athletic and elegant he could never pull a cart :eek: There is so much TB blood in the modern day WB to create a very successful sport horse and that is why the WBs dominate in so many disciplines. Training methods may differ country to country, but that's a historic thing - the Germans etc were far ahead of the British in 'collection' you only have to look at showjumping in the 70s to see that.

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Sorry - don't want to take this thread off topic but just to say I agree - I have disliked the German style of riding intensely since watching their poor overbent showjumpers and heavy handed riders 40 years ago. Gorgeous horse by the way!
 
attheponies said:
Sorry - don't want to take this thread off topic but just to say I agree - I have disliked the German style of riding intensely since watching their poor overbent showjumpers and heavy handed riders 40 years ago. Gorgeous horse by the way!
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Yes I had some lessons in Germany in the 70's and I found it so alien to ride with such a strong contact and leg, particularly contrary to the typical light touch English way of riding at the time. The Schockemoles (sp) horses were like machines and I have to say I find some western horses look the same presumably due to the almost rollkur forced action of the long shanked western bits when used in ernest.
Thanks re my horse - he is lovely and he has been the victim of much abuse from a young age at the hands of a dressage trainer. He's come through the other side now though :)
 
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Well D'sMum, I've obviously read what your take is on my comment, and I have to say you're right.
It does read as though I'm pleased about what's happened, but that's not how I feel. I am sorry it reads like that, it's not meant to but it obviously does.

I won't go into all the background, I'm very cut up about what's happened to this horse, I feel it was avoidable.

It does read badly, I'm sorry for that.
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Its just a touchy subject for me at the moment so I probably read it in a more negative light than others but thanks for the above :):)
 
Had to share this with all of you who gave us such wonderful advice. :D:D:D:D

We've finally sorted out what the problem was :D:D:D:D and are so so happy that it was something so simple. Actually it was 2 things together that compounded things.
It did finally turn out to be a problem with her teeth (the peridontitis) but it was also the atlas problem.

We'll both watching both more closely in the future and at the first sign will get both looked at immediately.:) It may be a case that Breitlingh needs her teeth looked at every 3 months instead of 6 months as we do now but it will be worth it. Also seriously thinking of letting the osteopath work her magic every 3 months to be on the safe side. :)

We left her a week after both treatments before we started to work with her again. During that week she has lots of pure pamper sessions to build up the trust with my daughter again and she throughly enjoyed it. :D

The riding work started again this week...... and we have a totally different horse. My daughter says that she is a joy to ride. I have been away all week and had to see it with my own eyes today and she is a totally different horse. A joy to watch. We took some video today so that we can show the difference now and from 3 weeks ago and I'll get my daughter to upload it tomorrow.
She also has a dressage clinic tomorrow with one of Holland's rising dressage stars - Emilie Scholtens. We had planned on taking my KWPN - Ruby who is also in dressage training but now we are taking Breitlingh.
We are both really looking forward to it and will also take video of the lesson and post it here tomorrow.

So so happy and just had to share this. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
katastrophykat said:
Good! Glad she's settling and fingers firmly crossed for the future- now, when are you next over here to come visit me??!
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Don't know KAT. Have 2 ferry journeys to use before 16th November so may come over very soon for some English style retail therapy/Christmas shopping.
Maybe even a smash and grab raid to Hull.:D:D

Have you thought about my offer?

How's Ru?
 
I have- OH still holed up on a ship (apparently now literally holed up as all shore leave is cancelled and the guns are out- ooo-err...) so haven't discussed at length yet but am heading to town next week to get passport renewal forms :)

We are currently not mentioning the-pony-who-must-not-be-named... I called my trainer tonight- no answer, no response to text as yet. Strongly suspect I will arrive on sunday for lesson and find trainer eaten by Ru. Does that mean I don't have to pay the bill?? :D
 
Wonderful news! Well done for percevering and finding out what was troubling her! She sounds like a bit of a sensitive soul, I know I have another one like that - it took us 7 weeks to find a tiny little sharp edge to a tooth that was sending R bonkers!
 
I've just read the whole of this thread and I'm really pleased that you have found the cause of your mares problems. Your mare is very lucky to have found you and your daughter.

I also think that (cart horse vs dressage horse argument aside, which was a shame it started in this thread) this thread really showed how helpful this forum can be. Lots of good advice that was listened to, acted on and a good result for your mare.

Good luck for the future!!
 
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