Facebook page regarding recent cruel video...

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Sadly I doubt she will struggle. None of the previous scandals/existing bad rep seem to have made much of a dent
I have been to that yard nearly 5 years ago. We had been to see a horse that was unsuitable & the YO suggested we talked to a nearby dealer. She phoned him & we went straight round. Neither of the horses we tried were suitable, thank god, but I can see why people are taken in. The yard was smart & tidy, lovely school. It all looked very professional. The groom who rode the horses before my son got on rode beautifully & non-horsey OH was in love with one of them. But 15yo son would have been way over horsed. I didn't take to the bloke (she wasn't based there then) but as he had a filthy cold I didn't think much to it, I mean, who is at their best with a real stinker. It was only later I heard of the reputation & breathed a sigh of relief.
 
Just a word of warning......everything that has been written on that Facebook page is being printed out and being taken to the police, whatever the situation about the video the whole page is bullying, slander/libel and Kate is planning on following through every comment, threat and slanderous post with court action.

In my opinion whatever your opinion steer clear and stay out of it
 
FaldingwoodLivery said:
Just a word of warning......everything that has been written on that Facebook page is being printed out and being taken to the police, whatever the situation about the video the whole page is bullying, slander/libel and Kate is planning on following through every comment, threat and slanderous post with court action.

In my opinion whatever your opinion steer clear and stay out of it
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Yeah right. ;):D:D
 
I don't think she needs jail, I think she needs re-educating (the equivalent of going to meetings after being caught drink driving, or AA etc). She needs to learn that it's not acceptable to do that to a horse and whipping to make it buck is not funny or normal.
 
In my experience people who treat horses with constant violence are often deep down scared of them and try to hide their fear through the violence. Sort of attack being the best means of defence. They are the sort of people too cruel to inflict even on a rocking horse.
 
FaldingwoodLivery said:
Just a word of warning......everything that has been written on that Facebook page is being printed out and being taken to the police, whatever the situation about the video the whole page is bullying, slander/libel and Kate is planning on following through every comment, threat and slanderous post with court action.

In my opinion whatever your opinion steer clear and stay out of it
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But why would she take it to the Police? Slander/Libel is a civil not criminal matter.

Trying to effect some damage limitation maybe?
 
A lot of what has been posted on that page is well out of order, and telling 'the b***ch should die' could be classed as threatening, depending on the severity of the comment, obviously :) x
 
Seems very adverse to wearing a hat. Personally I'm a believer in what goes around comes around. Read into these 2 sentances what you will, no threat or slander, just observation.
 
I fully support the page but not the comments that could be seen as threatening to her. People need to be careful what they say in light of recent arrests surrounding facebook/twitter. Inevitably the page will be closed soon anyway.

I do think it is a good place to share horror stories and out this woman and her many business alias to the public. The majority of horsey people I know do not use forums, and due to guidelines on this forum and others it is sometimes hard to get a full understanding of a dealers reputation when you are interested in buying a horse.

Pre internet you had to rely solely on word of mouth. I bought a horse (similar to the stories on facebook but it was a different dealer) as a 12 yo that was sold as ideal pony club. Truth was it was sedated and almost killed me a number of times before we ended up having to give it away. Fast forward 12 years and when going to buy a new horse I did a lot of research, cancelled one viewing as I saw (through facebook) that they didnt have a good reputation and ended up buying from a dealer with a good or mostly clean anyway record.

Whilst I dont agree with witch hunts (and there are a lot of people on here that get carried away with a lot of stuff less serious than animal abuse) I also think that people should be allowed to publicly share their stories, both good and bad online. I understand why it cannot be done on here but there needs to be a place that it can be done in the interest of unsuspecting buyers who often have to go through the courts to get deposits back/false advertising etc.
 
FfionWinnie said:
I agree it wasn't acceptable and shouldn't be forgotten about but wasn't it a man riding the horse!? I don't think that page is acceptable either. It should be dealt with through the courts IMO.
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Yes it was a man riding it but it was the lady videoing it and laughing which was so awful. Whats wrong with the page? I dont see a problem with it. People like that are nasty and need to be stopped, pretty simple. Kates being ridiculous if she cant understand WHY people are being horrible to her.

The bit on her website says "We wish to make no comment on the recent allegations on YouTube and other social networking sites/forums but would like to reiterate no charges have been brought to us and the RSPCA have fully inspected our premises and horses in our care." No comment?! Either way I imagine her business is ruined, the video speaks for itself. And the RSPCA are a joke when it comes to this sort of thing, the horses probably LOOK fine but how they're treated is clearly a different matter!
 
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On a general note, I am putting my head above the parapet here but...

Let's face it, most horse abuse cases that are brought fall into the neglect category. Hitting/whipping horses isn't generally seen as abuse... it happens everyday at public events and often with gusto/anger to varying degree and it happens everyday at many homes too. Is there actually a line drawn? It seems to me legally there isn't and even in welfare terms hitting/whipping/hurting is often not considered. How we treat and train our horses is seen as some sort of sacrosanct privilege we have because we own them. How often do we hear... "It's MY horse, I'll do what I want."

Time horses had some rights and are considered more than chattels in law, without that there is free rein to anyone who wants to take the punishment by whipping/hitting approach to training as far as I can see.
 
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I agree she should be outed and I agree that the page should exist PURELY to make people aware of her BUT you are doing the case NO favours by threatening her as she will just play the martyr and I for one wouls HATE to see her get off with it because of some angry heat of the moment comments.

She would love to walk away from thsi without a scratch and things like this will allow it!
 
amymay said:
Depending on what has been posted - then it's very much a police matter.
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Yes if threats have been made then it would be, and I can see that some have been a little 'vociferous' in their posts, but cannot see anyone threatening actual harm, although plenty have said what they feel should happen to her.

FWIW I agree that some of the posts are a little 'meeting violence with violence' and that is really not the answer.
 
There have been many threads on here previously regarding her, and warning of her many aliases, but she still seems to trade. I doubt this incident will be any different. I suspect the police will have the same attitude our local force had when verbal threats were made to a friend (through no fault of her own) by a nutty neighbour, that no action would be taken unless they actually acted. The comment was pretty much, come talk to us when they have tried to kill you. Her response is all damage limitation. Not someone I would do business with, her language on her website would put me off for a start, but she is a business woman that is for sure.
 
I echo what Sarah Thomas says. With recent events in the media ie Lord McAlpine investigating the possibility of suing everyone who tweeted about allegations involving him I think people should be very careful about expressing their views and possibly defaming people in public. We may have freedom of speech but there are boundaries.

I am in no way agreeing with what was seen on the video but just feel the need to warn people you cannot express your comments in defamatory and threatening ways in public.
 
zaminda said:
There have been many threads on here previously regarding her, and warning of her many aliases, but she still seems to trade. I doubt this incident will be any different. I suspect the police will have the same attitude our local force had when verbal threats were made to a friend (through no fault of her own) by a nutty neighbour, that no action would be taken unless they actually acted. The comment was pretty much, come talk to us when they have tried to kill you. Her response is all damage limitation. Not someone I would do business with, her language on her website would put me off for a start, but she is a business woman that is for sure.
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What I don't understand is, if she were interested in a damage limitation exercise, then surely, she should hold her hands up, agree and say "Yes, I was caught out" I will go on a BHS course straight away, mend my ways, send my groom for training, learn better horse management and I offer a public apology to blah blah blah etc ...." Instead, she's behaving as she is and this is getting people's backs up ..... I just don't get it ....
 
I agree with amandap. Whilst the video is foul and made for very uncomfortable viewing, people talking about jail seem to be missing the bigger picture IMO. There are far worse cruelties taking place around the world. The fact she is defending herself suggests that all the comments in the world wouldn't make her see that it was wrong. I admit that I liked the Fb page but unliked it now as it has dawned on me the witch hunt aspect of it all. It's scary how quickly things move on social networking and the web.
 
Achinghips said:
What I don't understand is, if she were interested in a damage limitation exercise, then surely, she should hold her hands up, agree and say "Yes, I was caught out" I will go on a BHS course straight away, mend my ways, send my groom for training, learn better horse management and I offer a public apology to blah blah blah etc ...." Instead, she's behaving as she is and this is getting people's backs up ..... I just don't get it ....
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I think you're creditting the woman with far more intelligence than she actually has. ;)

A person with just a bit of common sense (or, any sense, common or not) would see the logic of what you're saying. The fact that this isn't the case, speaks volumes. :rolleyes:
 
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