Facebook STOP the sale of horse meat for human consumption in WA!

Megan_T said:
Comments like this infuriate me.

Alec's responses have been accurate, well constructed and not in the slightest bit argumentative or degrading.

Just because people have pointed out facts and figures (all very well grounded having done my research) does not mean that they do not love or care for horses.

I won't be signing the petition as I'd feel like a total hypocrite. I eat meat, full stop.

I choose NOT to eat horse meat, but I do not judge nor chastise anyone who DOES choose to. It is not my place to tell them what is right or wrong.

None of us want to see any horse suffer, ever. Which is why I support the WHW campaign to stop the live transport of horses in such horrible conditions. What happens to them at the other end of that journey is not where the suffering starts, it is where it ends.
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Have now caught up on the thread...

I agree with this. I eat meat, i choose not to eat horse meat as I see them as a pet and an animal I love. I like cows but they're not my pet and they're bred for a purpose.

As long as the kill is humane and instant I would prefer a horse to go down this route rather than lead a sad neglected life. I accept some people choose to eat horse, it just doesn't quite sit right me me and thats my opinion.

I also support the WHW campaign to stop the live transportation of these horses.
 
Katikins said:
OK, so because I want my horse/s shot and given to the hunt when its their time then that means I don't love it? I would also not have a problem with them going to the slaughterhouse though admit I'd rather have them die at home but that's more because of me rather than the horse.

I have HUGE issues with the fact that the US banned horse slaughter as there will ALWAYS be a need for it, end of. I would much rather horses were slaughtered close to home with a little stress as possible and in a country with good standards/preocedures, than loaded onto double deckers bound for countries thousands of miles away under horrific conditions. And then when they do get there there are nowhere near the same kind of standards as we have in this country. Once again the animal rights lot have actually made conditions WORSE not better through their ignorance!
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O2Y and Aus too,

I would hope that you will consider the words which have been posted in the quote above. The second paragraph, and specifically the last sentence, sum up the problem perfectly.

To answer your enquiry, as to if I keep horses, then yes, I do. They are the fuel that drives my life.

Consider the charitable(?) bodies in America. Because the slaughter of horses, for human consumption, appears to have been banned, these poor creatures are now travelled for many hundreds of miles, and over borders where the slaughter conditions are, at best barbaric.

Answer me this, do you actually think that those bodies which have campaigned for equine welfare have achieved anything, other than making matters worse?

Alec.
 
I don't like how they kill the cows personally, sliiting there throats and they are left to stumble around, must be so painful.
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I've never seen cows killed like this in the uk....... Unless Halal:confused:
 
amymay said:
I've never seen cows killed like this in the uk....... Unless Halal:confused:
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Oh I do apologise :confused: I think it must have been foreign videos then. You know the ones where they go in a barrel kind of machine, slit there throats and then it goes upside down and tips them out. Are the ones here shot then? I should learn more about it really, just find it upsetting. But yes, sorry prob got that wrong then :)

Yep think it was in the USA? maybe?
 
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amymay said:
They are stunned with a bolt first, then bled out.
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I see, still don't like it. Have seen progs where stuns don't always work. But I guess thats the worst of the worst if you know what I mean. Prob does stun in the majority of cases.
 
Oh great, lets all bitch and moan about WA, mulesing and the arab sheep trade...

Anyone here ACTUALLY spent a week mulesing, other than me? Or just read up on the rubbish that they post on the interwebs about it... because what I read and what I did were two different things.

I will never sign a petition against slaughter of horses. But especially not in WA.

There are much more important issues with human welfare to resolve before you start trying to save all the horses!

And, tbh, I don't see anything wrong with feeding contaminated meat to the french... or maybe that's just me?? (jokes, btw!!!)
 
I happen to think that any of you who have replied saying you'll eat horse, but not your own are hypocrites. Reminds me of the thread about the BBC's horse herder documentary. There were cries of how humane the kill was (when they botched killing the horse for the first time and the totally panicked mare broke free only to die of strangulation followed by head trauma followed by stabbing). If it was such a great way of killing a horse, then they should ask their vet to do the same to their animals. I also think those of you saying slaughter is the best option for the horse instead of keeping it alive are selfish beyond reason. You seem to think that no one could possibly give an equine a loving forever home. There are plenty of people who give horses (who would otherwise have been slaughtered) a new lease of life. Myself included! Guy would have been dead long ago if the racing industry had got its way. He is perfectly healthy and happy. If it had been up to most of you lot, he'd have met the same fate as that poor grey pony.

BTW, I am vegetarian and NEVER eat the flesh of ANY animal!! The whole "humane" slaughter makes me sick to my stomach. As does eating a sentient being.
 
Unfortunately Over2You, not all owners are like you. There are a lot of neglected and abused horses out there. No-one here will have a horse or pony pts unnecessarily, it is not a decision anyone will take lightly.

If people would eat horsemeat, but not that of their own horse, that's fine by me. It's their choice.

If you do not eat any meat, that's fine too. That's your choice. It happens to be my choice too.
 
What is done to sheep in Oz is unacceptable...and yes I`ve been their too,the whole business is gross;as for those ghastly sheep ships..that ok..strewth give me strength!Were you perhaps just crutching??
 
Over2You said:
... If it had been up to most of you lot, he'd have met the same fate as that poor grey pony.

BTW, I am vegetarian and NEVER eat the flesh of ANY animal!! The whole "humane" slaughter makes me sick to my stomach. As does eating a sentient being.
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Yes, that's right - we'd all happily see healthy horses put down for no apparent reason. You're totally correct.

Get a grip.

Furthermore, no-one here is taking offence to you being a vegetarian, so perhaps you should show the same respect to the carnivores amongst us, eh?
 
EAST KENT said:
What is done to sheep in Oz is unacceptable...and yes I`ve been their too,the whole business is gross;as for those ghastly sheep ships..that ok..strewth give me strength!Were you perhaps just crutching??
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No, I was mulesing. I know damn well what I was doing, thank you very much!

After a few months of crutching and treating sheep riddled with maggots, stinking of death, half dead, crying in agony - and the best - two young sheep who's eyeballs had been eaten by maggots and who had two balls of maggots in their sockets with maggots and blood streaming down their faces - I was glad to be mulesing!!!

It's so easy to say from your cosy, comfy home that mulesing is wrong and that you should avoid wool from mulesed sheep, but when you come in from another day's work stinking of death (from live animals!!) and the cries of sheep being eaten alive ringing in your ears, you wake up to reality a bit.

Maybe I'm harder now because of it. I don't kick puppies or drown kittens, nor do I cause any unnecessary suffering to my pony (and, to the irate vegetarian weirdo, I've eaten my own pets, I wouldn't eat my own horse for what borderlines religious reasons, mock that and you WILL be reported!). But mulesing 2500 sheep was one of the easiest things I've ever done!

Horses need to be controlled and I'd rather the frogs were eating them than they were going to waste!

Because wasting food whilst people starve makes me sick to my stomach. Funny how vegetarians never rate humans the same they do animals!
 
Over2You said:
I happen to think that any of you who have replied saying you'll eat horse, but not your own are hypocrites.
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That'd be me then :) Actually the only reason I couldn't eat my own is that I'd be crying so hard at having to have had one of my beloved babies killed because it was old or sick that I wouldn't be able to swallow. So if anyone else who felt the same wants to swap, I'll eat yours if you eat mine, OK?

Over2you, on the other hand, you live in cloud cuckoo land if you think half the paddock ornaments whose owners cannot bear to do the right thing by them but leave them in pain are actually better off being alive.

It's nothing special to take on a failed racehorse, don't congratulate yourself. I've done a dozen and there are hundreds of posters on this site who own ex racers. Now I DID rescue a horse who actually had an appointment with the Vet for euthanasia, so I'll thank you not to preach to me, but to grow up and realise that we live in a world where people have different opinions and deserve some respect even if you personally disagree with them.

Do you ever think about how many animals would never have a life at all if they were not eaten? People don't breed lambs to look at, you know, they breed them to eat. If they aren't killed and eaten, there won't be any more lambs next year. I'd bet my bottom dollar if you asked a lamb if it wanted 16-52 weeks of wombling around a field eating grass, followed by a quick and painless death, or never to live at all, that it would choose life, however short.

I hope you are a vegan over2you. I would respect your vegetarian principles if you are. But if not you might like to research what has to be done to cows and calves to get milk.
 
roo2012 said:
Sorry HG, not trying to be inflammatory but really don't understand that comment. Please could you explain?
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The vegetarian mantra is usually that eating meat is bad for the world, for the animals, for people's healths, and yet they don't seem able to get it through their heads that it's not at all like that.

It's simply their choice.

I can't eating grains, so swapping all the paddocks in the world from grazing to crops would really limit what I could eat. Then we have to try and grow these crops without killing any of the pest animals (never met a vegetarian who could justify their blood soaked grain over blood soaked meat!)

yes, perhaps growing thousands of acres of wheat could feed the world, but many people rely on hunting and fishing to eat. Why rob their independance and force them to eat grain we grow for them - which inevitably they won't get to see anyway?

My aim is more directed, however, to the atrocious human rights records of the australian people in terms of their relations with the indigenous peoples. The town nearest me, in WA, has the highest rate of indigenous suicide in WA. But thats okay, lets work on illegalising a perfectly acceptable method of disposing of animals before we try and help these people.
 
Harper_Gal said:
The vegetarian mantra is usually that eating meat is bad for the world, for the animals, for people's healths, and yet they don't seem able to get it through their heads that it's not at all like that.

It's simply their choice.
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Yes it is our choice not to eat meat (though to be fair I just don't like the taste). I have no issues with animals being humanely slaughtered for food. I agree there are some rather 'rampant' vegetarians about (sure that's not the right word but you'll know what I mean) but please don't stereotype us.

The comment I had issue with was 'vegetarians never rate humans the same they do animals'. That is nonsense.
 
HG I am a vegetarian and can't possibly see how you can label us all the same! I value humans, of course I do, I just also happen to value all living beings. Nothing wrong with that. Don't tar us all with the same brush, I never force my views on others, and if people want to eat meat thats their choice. I wouldn't dream of telling someone they shouldn't.

ETA I also have no problem with the slaughter of animals if it humanely done.
 
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Over2You said:
BTW, I am vegetarian and NEVER eat the flesh of ANY animal!! The whole "humane" slaughter makes me sick to my stomach. As does eating a sentient being.
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Wait, so you're a vegetarian for the good of the animals? LOL! Get an education, yes the poor little meat animals get slaughtered at the end of their life but up to that point they live a very easy life. Farmers need beef cattle nice a fat and tender, they pretty much get left to their own devices with lots of food thrown in.

Now, diary cattle is often a completely different story. Have you ever seen diary cattle? They have a calf which is taken from them at a day old (probably to go for veal, so well done you're supporting that trade) and spend the rest of their life walking in and out from a field with painfully large udders which often get infected, rubbed, have sores etc. Their is no more sorry a sight to be seen than a herd of diary cows IMO.

So if you want to heal the world and do what's best for the animal become a vegan, it's really the only way. Stop wearing leather, stop eating eggs (I'm not even getting into the state of egg laying hens) stop drinking milk, eating cheese the whole nine yards. If you do any of these things then you really need to keep quite on the poor animal rights as every purchase has seen an animal in pain.
 
There are different ways of farming, yes you can buy your food from a supermarket where yes, if you buy cheap eggs they will be cage, your chicken is likely to be reared intensively and your milk MAY come from an intensive herd. But you do have options and it does mean abit more inconvenience but it is called buying LOCAL and knowing where your food comes from. We have 2500 free range hens, they are by no means intensive and I would happily show anyone around our unit, we have sheep and pigs which are slaughtered 4 miles away and the meat sold to our local egg customers, considerably cheaper than a supermarket. The choice of whether or not to eat meat has to be a personal one, but to tar all farmers with the same brush is unreasonable.
If you choose to eat a diet rich in crops that have been grown in scrubbed out rainforest that is your decision but try to remember that although you may not be directly killing an animal your are indirectly endangering them through the destruction of their habitat. And as for vegetarians who eat fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
jrp I totally agree with you that the traditional farming methods are far more caring for teh animals but I would say that trying to find an independent, none intensive dairy farm in central scotland has proven impossible (if anyone knows of one please let me know!)

You can get free range eggs in supermarkets but even these chickens can be treated rather badly.

I get my eggs from the farm (they are free and the chickens are free to mooch around as much as they like, often laying eggs in my stable!) but I try to avoid dairy as much as possible.

I'm not a vegan, I buy meat from my local farm shop but refuse to buy it from supermarkets. The fact is this isn't always possible or, more to the point, convienent for the majority of people. Almost every veggie I've met has admitted to buy milk and cheese from the supermarket or local corner shop (so again branded intensively farmed dairy cattle) on a regular basis. It is these hypocrites that frustrate me, they have such high morals but very little education on how life on the farm actually works.
 
HG..if you can really be present mulesing sheep..you`ve got too hardened to extreme cruelty.Good Lord,in this country they`ve banned docking 2 day old puppies!Farm animals here,however ,have far less protection .Had you not thought of the idea that Merinos,with all those hanging folds of skin are really NOT the breed to run along with the Great Australian Fly?? Simply hacking off those inconvenient skin folds`round the entire bum area and tail.....no anaesthetic or sutures folks..is unacceptable. My final words..the rest of you ..look up mulesing,it`s on the PETA site...... then you too can express your views on it. I have a theory..whatever crimes you did to others including animals in this life will revisit you in the next!! There you go..all your bum skin knifed off and tossed out into the outback to live or die.

As to horses,sorry they are magical creatures that deserve better,don`t eat meat anyway,and certainly not horse.
 
jrp204 said:
There are different ways of farming, yes you can buy your food from a supermarket where yes, if you buy cheap eggs they will be cage, your chicken is likely to be reared intensively and your milk MAY come from an intensive herd. But you do have options and it does mean abit more inconvenience but it is called buying LOCAL and knowing where your food comes from. We have 2500 free range hens, they are by no means intensive and I would happily show anyone around our unit, we have sheep and pigs which are slaughtered 4 miles away and the meat sold to our local egg customers, considerably cheaper than a supermarket. The choice of whether or not to eat meat has to be a personal one, but to tar all farmers with the same brush is unreasonable.
If you choose to eat a diet rich in crops that have been grown in scrubbed out rainforest that is your decision but try to remember that although you may not be directly killing an animal your are indirectly endangering them through the destruction of their habitat. And as for vegetarians who eat fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You can also buy locally grown vegetables etc.

I agree with you fully, I am a vegetarian, and I think knowing where your meat comes from is important. If I ate meat it would be organic. I normally eat eggs but have stopped recently, but only ever used free range. I am going to cut out dairy too. I also grow some vegetables in pots and use my local farm shop with locally grown produce (no rain forests involved :D) BUT I do put my hands up to buying bits from Tescos where I don't have a clue where it comes from and I think I will become more aware to this. I don't want to eat living beings, or help destruct rain forests. You make good valid points and I for one will look more into where my food comes from. Sounds like you have a great farm BTW:)

Vegetarians who eat fish are not vegetarians.
 
After a few months of crutching and treating sheep riddled with maggots, stinking of death, half dead, crying in agony - and the best - two young sheep who's eyeballs had been eaten by maggots and who had two balls of maggots in their sockets with maggots and blood streaming down their faces - I was glad to be mulesing!!!
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HG, can I ask how mulesing and eyeballs being eaten by maggots are related?

As for mulesing in general - well there's a whole other topic for discussion, but as to its merits and process - dispicable.
 
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I googled Mulesling and I didn't make for pleasant reading. But I didn't read much, so don't know much about it. They are going to phase it out by 20106 not long then:confused:
 
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