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Horse failed vetting start of week (I didn’t attend). Failed on flexion (near fore) - no dispute with seller on the point but they noted vet was hard on flexion. Vet told me they had a niggle on trot up so suspect they tested the near fore on flexion and also noted some heat. Vet did say (though noting it was not a diagnosis) it could easily be a knock or recent injury and something that could resolve with rest/cold hosing. Suggested I keep in touch with seller and re-vet if issue resolved (with seller vet to advise) - advised a min week. Horse has been rested and seller vet has been out and passed her on flexion and can find no issue with her. I’ve seen the videos (with vet) and they look good. I like the horse, ticks the boxes and vetting vet commented how lovely she was. Seller doesn’t want same vet out for re-vet so I need to find another if I want to go ahead. I’m minded to try again but where do I sit with insurance (assuming she passes second vet) and would I be pushing it to ask for a contribution to failed vetting? Also any experiences of an initial failed vetting leading to a flying pass?!
 
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ihatework said:
Well your initial vet sounds very pragmatic so I’d want them to re-vet.
Why won’t the owner let them?
The vet has to all intents said to you ‘I can’t pass the horse at present but I like it enough to give it a second chance’
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The issue seems to be they think original vet was hard on horse on flexion and not how their vet did it (saw their vets flexion on video and it was fine). As I wasn’t there I can’t comment how vetting was done. I’ll be telling any vet that does the new vetting that she failed on flexion so it’s not going to make the issue go away. Seller isn’t saying vet flexion caused the failed vetting (as acknowledges she wasn’t right on the day and has been rested since) but now focussing on the fact they think flexion not done quite right.
 
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Ambers Echo said:
I would be happy to buy the horse under those circumstances using a different vet and I dont really see why she should contribute to the failed vetting. AFAIK if she passes a vetting now there is no issue with insurance.

I guess she feels your vet overdid flexions. I can see why she doesn’t want them back x
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That’s exactly it and I almost feel if I pushed for original vet (vet chosen for vetting not my own vet) it could be counterproductive as would want to mention flexion comment and that could impact the second vetting. Fresh pair of eyes might be the best option. Seller has been v straight and sensible throughout and got her own vet out as she said she would - they are a highly reputable practice (who I would have used if they weren’t already in the mix).
 
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Ceriann said:
The issue seems to be they think original vet was hard on horse on flexion and not how their vet did it (saw their vets flexion on video and it was fine). As I wasn’t there I can’t comment how vetting was done. I’ll be telling any vet that does the new vetting that she failed on flexion so it’s not going to make the issue go away. Seller isn’t saying vet flexion caused the failed vetting (as acknowledges she wasn’t right on the day and has been rested since) but now focussing on the fact they think flexion not done quite right.
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Well I don’t really buy that, but equally if I liked the horse enough I wouldn’t let it be a show stopper and would get a decent independent vet back in.
 
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Ceriann said:
The issue seems to be they think original vet was hard on horse on flexion and not how their vet did it (saw their vets flexion on video and it was fine). As I wasn’t there I can’t comment how vetting was done. I’ll be telling any vet that does the new vetting that she failed on flexion so it’s not going to make the issue go away. Seller isn’t saying vet flexion caused the failed vetting (as acknowledges she wasn’t right on the day and has been rested since) but now focussing on the fact they think flexion not done quite right.
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Just wanted to add that personally I wouldn't tell another vet about the previous failure as they may subconsciously look for it.
 
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My horse failed his original vetting (1/10th lame on a 10m circle on a hard surface after flexion test). Flexion tests were done first and my vet stopped the vetting and advised the horse stayed in work and I re-vet in 2 weeks time. The horse was with me on trial so I did as my vet advised. The owner came along to second vetting and complained to my vet about flexion tests in general. This resulted in a bit of an argument resulting in my vet telling the owner he was acting on my instruction and if she wouldn't allow the flexion test to be done he would advise against purchase. He went ahead with the flexion test and the horse passed the vetting. I've had him 11 years now and although he now has hock spavins he was entirely sound for at least 6 years after the vetting.
 
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I had this with a horse I bought about 20yrs ago. He was re-vetted by another vet about 2 or 3 weeks later, he passed so I bought him and he was the best horse I ever had. So I think its worth re-vetting if you really like the horse.
 
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I wouldn't entirely re-vet unless I had to for insurance (but caveat that I don't insure either!). I would just get the vet to revisit the front legs again so should be much cheaper unless you were going to x-ray also this time for a closer look if you didn't before. I would be inclined to want the same vet as then they can tell you whether the horse has actually improved or not whereas another vet will not be able to compare. I see why the seller is not keen though. Whether I insisted would depend on how well I know the vet which did the initial vetting and whether I was confident in their experience and technique. Having said that, I'd be surprised if the seller actually refused the initial vet if you insist, otherwise they risk losing you and will have to readvertise with a failed vetting behind them.
 
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Cinnamontoast said:
So the seller’s vet has re-vetted her and could find no issue? Do you have to re-vet again for insurance or could that be used as THE vetting for insurance purposes?
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I think the seller’s vet is also known to you OP? Unless the horse is mega money, I might leave it at that and go ahead now- assuming that I trusted the vet’s opinion and reputation? The horse has been seen by two good sets of eyes as I see it.
 
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I need a passed vetting for insurance so we will go again next week. I’ve kept an eye on market in the meantime and she really is worth a second chance so fingers crossed (again)!
 
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Speak to your insurer. In a similar position I phoned my insurance company for advise & was told you have to inform them of the failed vetting & this would be taken into account in the quote / exclusions.
The horse didn't come sound so I never put it to the test ?
 
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