FAO Breeders?

Our Windsor was always a horny b*gger anyway!
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Are you thinking of using Finn as a stud dog then?
 
Very much depends on the dog - I have known stud dogs whose brains seem to drop out completely in the vicinity of 'ladies' & those who could mate a bitch & 2 hours later, go off & compete at a high level trial without a care in the world!
Some are real 'stallion types' & others completely chilled out blobs! lol

Only thing I would say is, no matter how wonderful you think your dog is & how nice you think it might be for him to be a 'dad', will other breeders feel the same way?
Unless he has won a fair bit at shows or whatever, he is unlikely to be much in demand from other breeders & it is rather unfair to let a dog have a taste of what could be in store, if he is unlikely to be used again or used again very often!
This can make them very frustrated & difficult, quite unlike a regularly used stud dog who should be content, confident & relaxed ideally!

You can't always tell how they'll be either, as sometimes the quiet ones can turn into little monsters & vice versa!
It is wise to consider all eventualties, as resulting 'problems' may include: increased male on male aggression, excessive & unwanted urinating, a disinterest or lowered attention span when continuing with previously enjoyed activites, e.g. obedience, agility etc. & a heightened interest in performing their own version of the 'great escape' if they detect the merest whiff of any appealing smelling 'ladies' in the vicinity!
 
Thanks Guys...

I have been approached 3 times to ask if I would stud Finn out... my decision is that I don't want my little boy having sex!!
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However i was just curious about the change and if it effects ALL dogs.

The breeder I got Finn from has urged me to breed such a lovel boy and that he did not see a change in Finns dad... however due to his eye issues I will not be breeding and risking furture problems in pups ... although Vet claims that the problem isn't genetic, so 'could' breed.
 
He'll smell a bitch a mile away once he's covered one if he's any good and if the neighbours have one in if he's anything like Nero he whines and whines and don't mean an hour I mean about 20 hours of the day. Nero is already mad for the bitches and knew exactly when each one was red hot too -past 10th day (me thinks I have a nympho on my hands!) we went to a friend to look at a horse and their bitch was on heat and he was whining and doing everything he could to try and get out of the car. He's learnt some manners this past month!! And that not all bitches are for him!

Are you thinking of standing Finn? If so you'll need to think about where visiting bitches will stay, a covering fee, kennel fee's, charging for a test and antibiotics e.t.c Also if you leave him loose with the bitch (some bitches can be nasty to cover) or whether he covers in hand. If he wouldn't be sleeping out with the bitch be prepared for 4/5 days of sleepless night because he'll drive you mad.
 
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If it isn't genetic I wouldn't worry.

Have you got any interest in showing him next summer?

[/ QUOTE ]See this is one of our problems... he is bigger than breed standard.. he is one strapping lad... breed standard:

<u>SIZE: Dogs:</u>
63 cm (25 ins) desirable minimum height at withers, 67 cm (27 ins) desirable maximum height at withers.
<u>WEIGHT: Dogs:</u>
37kgs there abouts.

<font color="blue">Finn stands 31inches to the withers and weighs 57kgs!</font>

I'm not considering standing him... he would produce some lovely puppies but I don't want to risk changing him nor his manners!
 
I know you say his eye problem isn't genetic but he is also a fair bit over the height limit, so that's two less than perfect factors for a start!
I have seen the pics of him though &amp; he is indeed a lovely lad!

However.......if you are happy with him as he is as a pet owner, I personally wouldn't consider it worth the risk, as it will be too late to find out he has changed detrimentally once the deed is done as it were!
I think you are very wise not to be tempted, as I have seen far too many owners come to grief over the years from making a decision they later regretted!

Keeping a stud dog is very hard work, they need to be fairly seriously campaigned at shows &amp; need to be kept at peak fitness, both physically &amp; mentally.
Bear in mind also that if anything goes wrong &amp; a litter turns out to be less than was hoped for..........people ALWAYS (without fail!) blame the poor stud dog! lol
 

Glad you asked this K as I am in the same situation. Have been approached by a few people asking to put Ki to their bitches and cannot make a decision either way
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. Having read the informative replies given by Jak and Severnmiles I am now leaning more towards saying no.

I wonder though, if a dog is used for stud say twice and is then castrated do all the urges disappear? wonder if anyone has any experience of this?

Also (this may seem like a really daft question
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I had a rescue dog who was castrated at 4 years old, when I bought him. I already had a bitch and the two of them used to bonk all the time. They positively smiled each and every time. I see nothing wrong with it personally; it's natural, although for some reason most people have trouble getting their heads around this one.
 
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Also (this may seem like a really daft question
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It is used with dogs and is becoming more commen, esp if you want to use a dog that's abroad. It's complicated though, the bitch has to be opened up to do it.

I've never had trouble with my boys. Have 3 entire males, 2 have been used at stud and they behave no differently to the 3td who hasn't been used. Even the Terrier still behaves the same. They make no noise and dont go out looking for bitches in season.
 
I have a further question on this....

I'm planning to do agility with my Toller pup when he's old enough. However, I'm not planning on being a serious competitor. More fun for the both of us.

However, he's only 15 weeks old and I'm already getting asked if I'll put him up for stud when he's mature and after he's passed his vet checks.

I wasn't planning to, but he is a rare breed over here with excellent lines that are in demand. Is that reason enough to breed?
 
The main reason to breed is to improve on the stock you already have and for the better of the breed. If he conforms as close to breed standard as possible or will compliment the bitch he's used on then yes continuing his lines by using him at stud is a good thing. I would say that just because he's a rare breed isn't necessarily a good thing neither are his blood lines - by that I mean his history may be excellent but he may not come up to scratch.

I don't mean that to sound harsh or aim that at him specifically just using it as an example - don't want to sound as it reads!!!!!

My breed, Hungarian Wirehaired Vizsla, is also a rare breed but I wouldn't breed from one unless it proved it's self worthy to the standard.

But you have plenty of time to decide if you want him used, he's only a baby ;D Wouldn't advise putting him for stud until he's at least 10months-1yr

Hope that helps
 
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Generally yes I would wait for a hipscore but have used a couple without.

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Is that allowed with the Vizlas then? We're now allowed to do that. From the siggy the wire haired look nice!
 
Not a chance I'd use him before he was vet checked over when he's older! (much older!) I'm in no rush to breed and would want a hip score done.

thanks for the post echo. His breeder said she'd like to see him at stud. I asked about his breed/bloodline as 4 of his litter mates were sent abroad to improve bloodlines. To be honest I don't think I'll breed him unless he proves to be a exceptional quality stud.
 
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Generally yes I would wait for a hipscore but have used a couple without.

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Is that allowed with the Vizlas then? We're now allowed to do that. From the siggy the wire haired look nice!

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It is allowed although obviously a hipscore's prefered, we've only done it a couple of times and know the scores behind the dogs - not that that means anything necessarily but we've not had any high scores in the generation that follows. A lot of breeders have them scored just not everyone.

All of our dogs except my Jacks are hipscored, excluding the pups of course
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Finn seems a dog with the most wonderful temperament for his breed - personally I would not risk this changing by using him at stud - and he is quite considerably over size and with an eye problem - both good enough reasons on their own for not using him.

Accept the compliment that others admire him enough to want his pups - but don't be tempted to pass his faults on !.
 
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Finn seems a dog with the most wonderful temperament for his breed - personally I would not risk this changing by using him at stud - and he is quite considerably over size and with an eye problem - both good enough reasons on their own for not using him.

Accept the compliment that others admire him enough to want his pups - but don't be tempted to pass his faults on !.

[/ QUOTE ]Hun my sentiments exactly - at no point am I tempted at all!!
 
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