FAO: CAYLA or anyone that knows her. RE crate training.

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I've tried to send CAYLA a message but her inbox is full, can anyone get hold of her to make some room? Alternatively if anyone has a copy of her crate training guide could you PM me with it please?

Many thanks :)
 
Cayla dosnt come on here very often now, unless you are 70 years old your opinion dosnt seem to matter on here, thats a bit of an exaggeration but it does seem like that sometimes. Cayla has had hundreds of dogs through her hands, she has dealt with so many behavioural problems and fixed them, Im lucky she came and stayed again with me in September and once again I took her up to my local rescue where they had some difficult dogs for her to work with. Its just wonderful to witness, there were some huge dogs which dragged the volunteers over to her, within minutes she had them walking to heel and totally focused on her, she gave a ton of advice too all for free and the dogs continue to improve after Caylas visit. The rescue cant get enough of her as she is really magic, Ive never seen anyone like her and if I had a problem with my dogs she would be my first port of call, as you said BS she speaks sense.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Cayla dosnt come on here very often now, unless you are 70 years old your opinion dosnt seem to matter on here, thats a bit of an exaggeration but it does seem like that sometimes. …….. .
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I'd say that everyone's views are worthy of consideration, regardless of age. There are times when established and comfortable (and even on occasions, ill founded) views are worthy of questioning. It also seems strange that there is now a growing tide of those who's opinions were previously stamped on, but now there seems to be a wider and a more inclusive group of people.

If what you say is correct, it would seem strange that there are those who have left AAD because their views and opinions have been contradicted.

I would also point out to you that previously, there were those who daren't speak up. This is a public forum and whether with a lifetime's experience, or none at all, everyone's voice is of worth.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
I would also point out to you that previously, there were those who daren't speak up. This is a public forum and whether with a lifetime's experience, or none at all, everyone's voice is of worth.

Alec.
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Im glad you said that Alec as certain people need reminding of that, certain people on here dont have a monoply on knowledge, quite a lot of people dont come on here anymore including myself for those very reasons.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Im glad you said that Alec as certain people need reminding of that, certain people on here dont have a monoply on knowledge, quite a lot of people dont come on here anymore including myself for those very reasons.
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It's a forum which is open to the public. Discussion involves others disagreeing with you. What did you expect?

I would be surprised to hear that there are those who've left simply because others disagree with them. If we learn from our experiences and they are contradictory to the commonly held view, then be we 17 or 70, I fail to see why we should stay silent for fear of upsetting others.

If there is now an expansion within this section which allows for a wider viewpoint then that's all to the better, I'd say, and if those who don't care for being contradicted, have decided to leave, then that's their choice.

Right, I must get on, I've an unwanted and unplanned litter of puppies to drown!

Alec.
 
If any one person can learn all there is to know about dogs in a single lifetime, I take my hat off to them. Personally, I think I will spread my curiosity a bit wider and try to learn from everyone. Am I the 70+ person referred to above?

But there are some things I do know because I have kept a lot of dogs in a pack situation for a very long time and have been able to observe closely how they interact socially. Generally, I have found the best training methods follow Nature. Most dogs are kept as pets and have been humanised to an extent and have paid the price for that by developing what I would call mental health issues. I have occasionally tried to take in dogs to train from the general public but have always arrived at the same conclusion. I didn't enjoy it and didn't much like their owners either.

It was Thomas Hardy who said that "Experience is proportional to intensity, not duration". I know an awful lot about one aspect of dog behaviour. I know very little about dogs as human companions and haven't got much ambition to learn. Sometimes I am not sure I like humans much at all.

I don't know the people behind most of the screen names on here which doesn't matter as I wouldn't be moderating my posts or opinions anyway. If I have offended anyone on here for speaking my mind, I would like to apologise as that seems to be the polite thing to do -- but I won't be doing it because that would make me a liar!:D
 
I dont have a problem with people disagreeing with me after all I live in the real world, I dislike though people being ridiculed for having a different opinion and one that has science behind it. Alec you often ask questions and speaking for myself but have noticed other people as well have written long replies to prove they know what they are talking about and you have never bothered to answer them. Its not the disagreeing thats stopped people posting its the patronising replies, members being pmd and asked to speak to other members when they have a difference of opinion, so yes you need to take your own advice, its a forum, people will have different and conflicting opinions.

Dry Rot that last line says it all for me, if you offended anyone for speaking your mind you would like to apologise but you wont be doing that because it makes you a liar, thats funny is it?
 
Dobiegirl said:
I dont have a problem with people disagreeing with me after all I live in the real world, I dislike though people being ridiculed for having a different opinion and one that has science behind it. Alec you often ask questions and speaking for myself but have noticed other people as well have written long replies to prove they know what they are talking about and you have never bothered to answer them. Its not the disagreeing thats stopped people posting its the patronising replies, members being pmd and asked to speak to other members when they have a difference of opinion, so yes you need to take your own advice, its a forum, people will have different and conflicting opinions.

Dry Rot that last line says it all for me, if you offended anyone for speaking your mind you would like to apologise but you wont be doing that because it makes you a liar, thats funny is it?
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Amen to that Dobiegirl, you have echoed my own views very succinctly and clearly so thanks for saving me a job :D

I was too lazy to work out to how to highlight the particular bit of your post that I identified with, so have copied and pasted it below... it is so true....

"Its not the disagreeing thats stopped people posting its the patronising replies, members being pmd and asked to speak to other members when they have a difference of opinion"
 
Lévrier;12641465 said:
Amen to that Dobiegirl, you have echoed my own views very succinctly and clearly so thanks for saving me a job :D

I was too lazy to work out to how to highlight the particular bit of your post that I identified with, so have copied and pasted it below... it is so true....

"Its not the disagreeing thats stopped people posting its the patronising replies, members being pmd and asked to speak to other members when they have a difference of opinion"
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Amen to that. Patronising and arrogant .
 
Dobiegirl said:
…….. I dislike though people being ridiculed for having a different opinion and one that has science behind it.

Alec you often ask questions and speaking for myself but have noticed other people as well have written long replies to prove they know what they are talking about and you have never bothered to answer them.

Its not the disagreeing thats stopped people posting its the patronising replies, members being pmd and asked to speak to other members when they have a difference of opinion, so yes you need to take your own advice, its a forum, people will have different and conflicting opinions.

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Line 1. Remind me of who has brought a scientific approach to the canine, and I'll be happy to re-open the discussion. If it's the conversation which I believe it to be, there was a poster who whilst admitting to no experience of the subject under discussion, continued to quote from a learned paper, written by someone who was postulating theories, and who by there own admission, had never trained a dog!! I contradicted them. I'm sorry if you see that as arrogance.

Line 2. Having read the responses of others, when I've raised questions, I have always read with interest, the thoughts of others, and I generally remove myself from the conversation when people persevere with a lack of logic. This forum isn't (for me anyway) about scoring points. If I've offended others by failing to reply to their thoughts, then I would apologise, but would assure you that that would generally be because I've either accepted their points or that they were so daft as to be fuel for yet another argument, and one which will achieve nothing. There have been valid discussions and I've accepted the points of others and accepted when I've felt that I was wrong, and for you to claim otherwise, is dishonest.

Line 3. With the exception of one occasion when one poster continued to argue the canine equivalent of 2 and 2 equalling 5, I have never been patronising, by intent, despite provocation from those who've been unable to cope with being contradicted.

The final quote from your post is an attempt at an underhand slight, one which you will be unable to defend, and you surprise me. The only time that I've ever asked another on here for assistance was from a regular poster, and that they clearly quoted my post to others, has also surprised me, though perhaps I shouldn't have been quite so trusting. The respect that I held that poster in, has evaporated. Quite clearly you will have received a copy of my message, and it concerned someone who whilst being unbalanced and also under medication, had fabricated stories which had not one grain of truth to them, and were clearly the wanderings of a troubled mind. I contacted the person to whom you refer, with the simple request that as they seemed to have my adversary's ear, perhaps they could point out to the lady that I hadn't responded, through a sense of decency but that my patience was wearing thin.

I also wrote to the lady concerned who had fabricated stories which would be patently the work of an unsound mind, I was kind and asked why. Firstly she denied that it had happened, then when I presented her with the evidence, she said that her HHO persona had been hacked, and then finally admitted to it, and advised me that Admin were well aware of who she was in reality, and had chosen to allow her yet another opportunity to join in.

So there you have it. Those are the facts as I understand them. Contradict me by all means, I am more than happy to defend my corner, a corner which I would add, which has only ever been offered with good intent. I wonder if everyone on here can claim that, or if there are those who having been questioned, are bent upon a certain sourness.

Alec.

ETS, Should you prefer to continue with this conversation, by the available Private Message system, then by all means do. a.
 
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Dobiegirl said:
Dry Rot that last line says it all for me, if you offended anyone for speaking your mind you would like to apologise but you wont be doing that because it makes you a liar, thats funny is it?
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Do and think as you wish, I don't blame myself for the sensitivity of others. Some go out of their way to take offence and, yes, I think it quite ridiculous that I should apologise for that.
 
Just popped back on to refer to the "What's happened to my terrier?" thread. I suspect humans occasionally react exactly the same way as that terrier did! Is that to their credit or does it makes them appear a bit silly and immature?
 
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Dry Rot that last line says it all for me, if you offended anyone for speaking your mind you would like to apologise but you wont be doing that because it makes you a liar, thats funny is it?
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As there appear to be formed sides, and considering D_R, I'd remind you of the old adage that offence is always taken, but never offered. Do you apologise when others assume offence?

I'm deeply offended by your thoughts, would you care to apologise? No? I thought not! :D

Those who've run away should return, stand their ground and reinforce the points that they would make. No? I thought not! :D

Alec.
 
Alec I dont have a clue to who or what you are referring to, methinks you are a little paranoid and as for my post being dishonest some people wouldnt recognise the truth if it hit them in the face.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Alec I dont have a clue to who or what you are referring to, methinks you are a little paranoid and as for my post being dishonest some people wouldnt recognise the truth if it hit them in the face.
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You are on good form today DG.... however I am in grave danger of turning into a sheep by saying 'baaaa' and agreeing with every comment you are making, perhaps living in the Forest of Dean their influence is rubbing off on me :D
 
This conversation by people whose knowledge I value is becoming rather upsetting. It is a bit like having to watch your parents having a stupid row. Your often differing opinions are often enlightening because they differ believe it or not. Just agree to disagree and move on!
 
Dobiegirl said:
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Dobiegirl said:
Alec I dont have a clue to who or what you are referring to, methinks you are a little paranoid …….. .
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Your first quote was referring to me and was an accusation, I explained to you my reasons for asking that someone would assist me with a lunatic, the said lunatic being their friend, apparently. That isn't paranoia, it's a response to your distorted post.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
Your first quote was referring to me and was an accusation, I explained to you my reasons for asking that someone would assist me with a lunatic, the said lunatic being their friend, apparently. That isn't paranoia, it's a response to your distorted post.

Alec.
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You are calling a fellow poster a lunatic, that is precisely the attitude Ive been posting about, a lunatic, Im just gob smacked and actually they are not my friend that was your assumption.
 
Alec Swan said:
I agree, but the problem when we fail to defend ourselves from unjust and untruthful accusations is that there's an implied acceptance of the claims.

Alec.
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You never know when to stop do you, you are starting to sound like a boring old harpie sitting in the corner of the pub, that everyone wants to avoid, p***ed as a f*rt trying to spout the same old rubbish on the same shaky old soap box. Regardless of the topic being discussed by the less inebriated, you will relentlessly bring the subject matter back directly to your own pathetic obsessions and paranoia. Unbelievable, and I have seen more adult behaviour and dignity in the school playground.
 
planete said:
This conversation by people whose knowledge I value is becoming rather upsetting. It is a bit like having to watch your parents having a stupid row. Your often differing opinions are often enlightening because they differ believe it or not. Just agree to disagree and move on!
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This! I like to read everyone's opinions!/there is always more than one way of doing things.

I hope you get hold of that guide OP!
 
Allright, I'm game for one last go. If its a scientific approach, I've tried before to explain that I use positive reinforcement as my training method of choice.

I felt this was perceived as just stuffing food down a dog to entice it into obedience and dismissed by some posters. I accept I possibly didn't make myself clear on the theory of it, nor do I have any background in training working dogs.

I do however, have a small content lurcher who recalls instantly and is obedient without the constant need for food. His one issue with car sickness was largely overcome with positive reinforcement.

I've learned a lot from this forum, and from all the opinions on here. However, I still find that entering into a discussion is often a bit disheartening and sometimes not really worth it as you get rather scorned so easily sometimes. I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, but not altogether interested in lengthy 'lively' discussion if it goes no-where
 
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