Farrier issues...

Chico Mio

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My issues are: I did not like the way he shod FB this morning, I think he has done a dreadful job with the NB shoes and they are nothing like I would expect them to be. I'm also convinced he doesn't trim FB's hooves as well as my last guy PLUS he charged me an extra €10 to put two road studs on each back shoe!! My last guy charged €5 to do four. I will take some pics when I bring them in and see what people think.









FB's issue is.....













He's not quite tall enough for snoozing on
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Aha, funny you should say that Mrs M! Have just brought them in so took some pics, unfortunately not brilliant:

I think that he has filed off too much hoof wall where the hoof meets the shoe - I could see pink on the white horn which I am assuming is the blood supply to the hoof. I did think he had set them quite far back and was filing along the hoof wall, instead of just undercutting. Also, when I had these shoes before you almost couldn't see the front of the shoe and the hoof rim was curved down to follow the same curve as the rim of the shoe - like a trainer toe.

On the second pic you can see the rasp marks down the front of his hoof - no way should there be rasp marks that high up.

The mark round his hoof is the result of the steroids and anti inflammatories he had after his accident last year.

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Any thoughts?
 
They dont look like natural balance from the pics.... just shoes without clips
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Agree that in my opinion they should be set further under.... merlin is not NB shod, but his go further under than that with the toe sort of angled under like a trainer as you say.
 
The toes are far too long! those are not natural balance shoes, just look like rolled toe shoes, not like the traditional NB shoes which are shod with square toes (called four point shoeing)

Your farrier has not taken nearly enough off the toes and the bulge in the wall on the left side of the toe should have been removed. You can rasp any of the foot except the coronet band so thats not an issue here for me, the length of toe howevere...

why is the horse bieng shod like this?
 
I thought they were v long aswell (was waiting to see if the expert agreed but like to test myself that what I think is right!)
 
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The toes are far too long! those are not natural balance shoes, just look like rolled toe shoes, not like the traditional NB shoes which are shod with square toes

Your farrier has not taken nearly enough off the toes and the bulge in the wall on the left side of the toe should have been removed. You can rasp any of the foot except the coronet band so thats not an issue here for me, the length of toe howevere...

why is the horse bieng shod like this?

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They ARE natural balance shoes - thats my point! I had them for about 18 months before the horse had his accident and they were put on perfectly, these are not! I know what they look like when they are on properly - his hooves look lovely, neat and tidy with no flare and the front square. I even asked the guy if he had experience with them before I let him do it. Unfortunately my old farrier is now 1200km away. I agree the toes are far too long and he's left them long on the back too - even though I told him that horse overreaches and asked for them to be trimmed and shod accordingly. Plus the git charged a fortune!!

I have him shod like this (NB) because when I lived in Andalucia I did a lot of endurance training with a guy who had Arabs. His farrier took a lot of time assessing FB's conformation, gaits etc. He also had a long chat with my friend - who could see how FB moved when we were out riding and was able to explain much more accurately in Spanish than I could about how FB would catch his toes/stumble when we were trotting across rough terrain etc. NB shoes were suggested and they did make a big difference. It took a year to get his feet right after I bought him as he had been subjected to some appalling shoeing and I don't want to have to go through all that again.

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Is that them on the horse from today? Looks like he has tried to shoe with them like they are 'normal' shoes. Oops.

They should be set much further back, and again the toes are an issue.
 
Yes, done today. Now, what should I do? Take them off? I don't want 6 weeks of ill fitted shoes. The poor damned horse has enough to do organising his feet at the best of times without this! I could get OH to remove them (he has the kit and enough knowledge to do so without any problems) and try and find someone who knows how to do it properly. Are more nail holes going to add to our troubles? I'm really very hacked off about the whole thing.
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My gosh - two things that hit me - long feet, don't look like NB shoes.
I think I would call your farrier back.Iif you are not happy I think it is always the first thing to do and discuss with the farrier.
 
The thing that worries me is the length of toe. Take the shoes off by all means as the feet look quite dry and some of the growth will chip off but i think you should get someone to have a look as soon as you can as even if you take them off having long toes can cause its own problems
 
Get the farrier back!!! It took me 8 weeks to get the bugger here in the first place, plus he will claim that he doesn't understand me - and I can just imagine what will happen if I crticise a macho Spanish bloke for not doing his job properly, they are sulkier than a grounded teenager, he'd just do an even more rubbish job. Best thing there is just never use him again. He's a lovely bloke but that is not good enough, I need lovely shoeing.

Thanks everyone for your input, I knew I wasn't mad. I even TOLD him I thought the toes were too long before he put the shoes on but I had to go to the phone . PS just noticed in my first post on this thread I said shoe was 'too far back' I meant 'too far foward' !!!
 
The solar shot shows that there is an awful amount of foot still to come off, the heels of the shoe are way to short, plus it looks as if you also have sheered heels. I am sorry to say, but I would get another Farrier to sort out the shortcomings of this shoeing.
 
hiya,

i dont know if this will help at all, but my boy was shod NB last week and the toe rolled back - i believe they are supposed to look like this

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Well, your solar view certainly looks better than mine! Notice how close your plate is to the apex of the frog? And how the branches of the shoe come round to be level with the back of the frog? That's more like it! I must say that when I had mine done before they looked further back than yours in the second pic and were very square at the front, bevelled down at 45% - could just be different shaped hooves. But yes, a nice tidy little hoof like that is what I want.

My boy also has quite short pasterns on the front and that just accentuates his Ali Baba toes now, I just know he'll be tripping up all over the place.
 
Yes indeed, it is my understanding that the NB shoe can support the p3 hence is positioning should be just above the apex of the frog

Mines a remedial case under vet attention for p3 compression, hence the toe has been taken right back, which is probably why they look a little different to yours.
 
Ok best advice i can give with the new information, find someone else (and i do appreciate that seems much easier said than done) and take the shoes off

You should not worry about nails holes etc as there is a lot of foot there

I hope your horse doesnt suffer because of this, i have never put on NB shoes and if i ever have to i would get the training or ask another farrier who does to at least demonstrate and teach me
 
d a - That might indeed explain it.

PF - You are probably one of the people on here who can appreciate my problems! Different country, same culture!!! I will look for a younger guy who is more amenable to suggestion. Just peed off because he was recommended to me as a good farrier by my equine vet and cost a bloody fortune.


Thank you Farrier, I intend to do just that.

I haven't ridden my horse for 4 weeks because of an injury to his fieldmate (long story) and the fact that he needed shoeing as his feet were long and rear shoes paper thin. I was looking forward to going out this weekend but I can't ask him to work over our terrain like that. At least the shoes are brand new so I can get them taken off and put back on sensibly.

So the great Farrier hunt begins. Thanks again everyone.


ETS I have just gone onto the website of the most well known farrier supplies/info site in Spain (www.EKI.es) and found an article and fitting instructions for NB shoes - IN SPANISH!!!! Hooray!! I will print it off and tout it round the farriers I can find to show them I am not a mental foreign woman who demands impossible things!!
 
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