Fed up with ignorant dog owners

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I have now had a 'bitch in season' related incident almost every day for the last few weeks... am losing my patience...

How hard is it to keep a bitch in season away from parks and other dogs for 3 weeks every 6 months? If it's too hard - why don't people just get them spayed...
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My dog is not castrated and I have had to take him away from our local parks (yes, I've tried a few of them) and go for a lead walk so many times...

a couple of examples:
One choc lab - my black lab v. interested in sniffing her - I say to owner - is your dog in season? He says 'Yes - but It's not the right time yet cos she's keeping her tail down'
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I then had to explain to him why it was unfair on dogs like mine... and really couldn't he keep her on the lead and walking on the roads until she isn't in season
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Last night... had lovely walk in the park - my dog very good. A spaniel runs up to us - Loki starts sniffing her madly... I call to owner - any chance your dog in season - yes she is can you take your dog away (err... your dog came up to us....)
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I want to move...
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It's so unfair on poor Loki...
 
Couldn't agree more - and it isnt just bitches in season.....

My poor lurcher is not very good with other dogs as he was a rescue case, so whenever I meet anyone on a walk I call him over and pop him on the lead. The number of b***y ignorant dog owners (mostly retrievers around our way, I know this is because they are popular so more of them around...) who let their b***y dogs bounce up to poor Tal, who then gets all defensive, puts his hair up and starts to think about snapping at the other dog
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FFS dog owners, it is not his fault, he is on a lead, so CONTROL YOUR OWN B****Y DOGS
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Sorry, rant over now
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I know - we had an incident with a choc lab - came running over and then put its hackles up and started on my dog - who was on the lead and no threat at all - he is a wuss... If you dog is agressive it shouldn't be running up to other dogs
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I mainly have trouble with choc labs - 2 bitches in season at the mo in the park right near our house - so I can't walk in there for a few weeks cos they won't stop going in there
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then the agressive male one in the other park... I do know some nice ones tho
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I wish owners of un-neutered dogs would either have their bollocks cut off, or keep their raping little dogs on their own property and well away from mine!
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Unless you plan to breed from your pet, and they are suitable to breed from - get them fixed both dogs and bitches, there are far too many unwanted dogs in the world.
 
Couldn't agree more. Don't have a problem with bitches in season as mine are all girls, and I am lucky cos can walk away from other dogs BUT people drive me mad who let their dogs run up to others. My friend has a big GSD who can be aggressive with other dogs. We sometimes walk our dogs together over the hills. Her lad is always on lead, and she will if necessary take evasive action if we are approaching other dogs on narrow paths. However no end of people let their dogs run up to us, and if you ask them to call them back the response is usually, oh he is only being friendly. Well yours might be but this lad isn't so call your b****y dog!
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I wish everyone who doesnt intend to breed from their dogs would get them spayed or neutered.

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Indeed, it's not rocket science.
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How hard is it to keep a bitch in season away from parks and other dogs for 3 weeks every 6 months? If it's too hard - why don't people just get them spayed...


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I suppose bitch-owners could argue back that if entire dogs are so tormented by having in-season bitches around, then the dogs should be neutered! Sorry, just had to play devil's advocate.

Before my bitch was spayed she had a couple of seasons and I used to exercise her in my own fields, but this was for her protection and not because I was considering the romantic feelings of any un-neutered male dogs!
 
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I wish everyone who doesnt intend to breed from their dogs would get them spayed or neutered.

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I didn't want this to turn into a 'why not castrate him then post'
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I have good reasons not to neuter my dog and I'm sure some of the people with entire bitches have similarly good reasons. Although am not 'anti-neutering'

My point was that it's irresponsible not to take extra precautions/ care.
 
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I wish owners of un-neutered dogs would either have their bollocks cut off, or keep their raping little dogs on their own property and well away from mine!
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Fair point - if you have an un-neutered dog / bitch you def take more precautions. I would never let Loki wander off away from home or out of my sight on a walk. But then - even un-neutered dogs shouldn't be wander off on their own...
 
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Sorry but it just seems simple to me - don't worry about your dog Im sure he isnt breaking his heart over it.

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It doesn't to me. but the I've done lots of reading and research and speaking to experts (vets/ Behaviourists) before making my decision and I would prefer to keep him entire. Bareing in mind that I planned to get him neutered when I bought him - I changed my mind after reading up on it all.

Of course my dog doesn't care - He's over it as soon as I've left the park.
 
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I suppose bitch-owners could argue back that if entire dogs are so tormented by having in-season bitches around, then the dogs should be neutered! Sorry, just had to play devil's advocate.

Before my bitch was spayed she had a couple of seasons and I used to exercise her in my own fields, but this was for her protection and not because I was considering the romantic feelings of any un-neutered male dogs!

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I don't get that arguement at all...

Of course un-neutered dogs are tormented by bitches in season - they have to be ready to 'go' at any point - females are only 'ready' for a short time. Bicthes not in season are not bothered by entire male dogs (mine certainly never bothers them) so they can all walk happily together in the park. I want to walk my dog in the park - but there could be a un-neutered bitch there at any time - am I supposed to avoid the park altogether
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how hard is it for bicth owners to keep away for the few weeks they need to for a season? Am not saying they can't walk their dogs... just why let them run free in a park full of other dogs?
 
Plus... I know a 'stray' dog that is let out of a house near me every day - he is not neutered - has no collar and crosses two roads to get to the park. He then proceeds to hump anything he can find - male or female...

If you have a bitch in season - would you really want to walk it where that dog is
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Couldn't agree more. Don't have a problem with bitches in season as mine are all girls, and I am lucky cos can walk away from other dogs BUT people drive me mad who let their dogs run up to others. My friend has a big GSD who can be aggressive with other dogs. We sometimes walk our dogs together over the hills. Her lad is always on lead, and she will if necessary take evasive action if we are approaching other dogs on narrow paths. However no end of people let their dogs run up to us, and if you ask them to call them back the response is usually, oh he is only being friendly. Well yours might be but this lad isn't so call your b****y dog!
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Exactly my point - why do people always think its OK? I dont actually CARE about their dog, I do about mine
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As you will see from my original post, that there is no way I would let an in-season bitch of mine run free in an area where there could be an un-neutered male. However, that would be for the bitch's own protection.

So yes, I think the other bitch owners are being irresponsible, but I feel they are being irresponsible towards their own dogs. I'm not sure they really have a responsibility to spare your dog's feelings!
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Just find it a bit strange that you are keen to keep your dog 'entire' but are suggesting other people should neuter their dogs!
 
Just to play devils advocate here .... what's new eh?
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My bitches only came into season a couple of times a year - your dog is willing and "ready to go" ALL year.
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Sorry - you misunderstand me - I don't suggest others should neuter their dogs in general - just if they are not prepared to be responsible with owning an entire dog or bitch.

this would include irresponsible breeding (which I also hate) and letting entire male dogs wander freely - or as I mention above walking bitches in season off leads in busy London parks.

It's not his feelings tho - it's his behaviour/ hormones that are affected - he goes into sniffing overdrive, I find it hard to get his attention (he is usually very responsive) and he will follow an in season bitch all over the park
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Lucikly he won't leave the park to follow them home... But the result is that I always have to put him straight on the lead and end the walk - go home and do some training to re-focus him. behaviourist says as he gets older (he is only 15 months old) he will learn to control his hormones better....
 
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Just to play devils advocate here .... what's new eh?
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My bitches only came into season a couple of times a year - your dog is willing and "ready to go" ALL year.
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thats another part of my point
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poor buggers are always on standby - bitch owners could at least be thoughtful enough to keep their randy doggies locked away for 3 weeks...
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poor buggers are always on standby - bitch owners could at least be thoughtful enough to keep their randy doggies locked away for 3 weeks...
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Sounds like it's your dog that is randy not the bitches! I'm afraid I don't really understand your point. If your dog is randy because he's entire and you won't get him neutered then you can't really criticise bitch owners for following your example. The benefits of neutering/spaying far outweigh the negatives.
 
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poor buggers are always on standby - bitch owners could at least be thoughtful enough to keep their randy doggies locked away for 3 weeks...
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Sounds like it's your dog that is randy not the bitches! I'm afraid I don't really understand your point. If your dog is randy because he's entire and you won't get him neutered then you can't really criticise bitch owners for following your example.

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see I have a feeling that you won't be satisfied with my answer whatever I say - becuase we have different views that we both feel strongly about
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I don't think I have ever said my dog is randy? He is actually the opposite - he never humps (not even the bitches in season - but then I take him away from them pdq.) He is no trouble at all being entire. What happens is he completely loses focus and attention as a result of a horome surge triggered by the smell of a female in season. The only thing I criticisde is people taking bitches in season into a busy park - it simply isn't fair on entire male dogs who's hormones will be triggered by the smell.

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The benefits of neutering/spaying far outweigh the negatives.

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If we are talking male dogs - I disagree.
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And don't they know it
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Unfortunately it is a subject that is always going to spark debate. I personally have my bitches spayed after their first season, unless I plan to breed from them so Cindy will be spayed after her first and only litter (which won't be until she is at least 2 year old) Although I have since been told that vets now advise that you get them spayed asap and not wait for the first season. Maybe I'm old fashioned?

We've only had one male dog in the family (that I can remember) and yes he was kept entire. He was used for stud though but never annoyed bitches in season (while out on walks, he knew what he had to do though when it was required
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). Although he was a stubborn old git.
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To be honest, if you had just said that it was irresponsible of bitch-owners to walk their bitches off lead in public places because of the risk of unwanted pregnancies, then I think most people on here would have agreed with you.

I think it is the angle you came from of the effect it had on your dog that has caused the dissent. Just as the owner of an unspayed bitch always has to take into account that there is likely to be a stray entire male about somewhere, the owner of a un-neutered male has to take into account they are likely to encounter a loose in-season bitch.

It is one of the things you have to take into consideration when you make the decision not to neuter or not, along with the environment you exercise your dog in and his level of training.
 
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