Fed up with ignorant dog owners

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I have now had a 'bitch in season' related incident almost every day for the last few weeks... am losing my patience...

How hard is it to keep a bitch in season away from parks and other dogs for 3 weeks every 6 months? If it's too hard - why don't people just get them spayed...
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I agree with you, but why worry, if their bitch gets pregnant is not your fault, or your problem.
In my day if you had a bitch and wished to avoid "puppy" accidents you got it spayed.
Its their responsibility not yours.
I am sick having people ask me when I am going to get my dog castrated - well never!!!! Why should he lose some of his few pleasures ( like licking his balls and being a macho little dog! ) just because someone wants to keep their options open.
I would like to keep my options too, and his wedding vegetables!!
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By neutering/spaying your animal you are removing the risk of cancer in that area.

Don't understand the determination to keep the balls intact, perhaps it reflects on the person
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I agree with you, but why worry, if their bitch gets pregnant is not your fault, or your problem.

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It bloody well is your fault if your intact dog comes onto my farm and humps one of my bitches....my bitches who never ever leave their property because I took the time and trained them not to! I don't expect to have wandering dogs coming and having hanky panky with my girls and getting them pregnant, when I choose to mind my own business and live well out of the way of anyone and their dogs.

My bitches don't bother anyone else, or any other dog and I think it is a bit rich of dog owners to say bitch owners want to keep their options open - for your information I have never had intentions of breeding any of my bitches, I simply chose to not have them spayed and as such, I took responsibility and made sure they were trained to never ever wander ... and they don't and never have. Not the same can be said of the owners of the rampant dog who visited here. If I knew his owners I'd definitely have something to say to them - and I have to say, if he ever visited here again, I'd be very tempted to take him to the vet and have his bollocks chopped off before taking him to the pound! Why should others have to go through all the expense and hassle of having puppies when they ARE being careful with their dogs? I do wonder about the day he ran here after one of my neighbours was shooting at him, and whether they had been inconvenienced and out of pocket due to the results of his love-making skills before.

None of my mares are spayed and I don't expect to have marauding stallions flying in and out whenever they please - just like I don't expect dogs to either, whether intact or not. People should take control of their animals.

Oh and castration for a dog is far less invasive that a full hysterectomy for a bitch! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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I suspect WIDGET would see it as her problem...as she does not seem like a feckless (breed for the sake of it) dog owner...and think she would be pretty concerned that her dog had impregnated any old bitch whilst out walking
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It is certainly attitudes like yours that see this world over flowing with countless numbers of abandoned animals....the ones that breed from..well anything that is entact... and take no responsiblity for the aftermath
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My impression is...that Widget does not keep her dog entire to bonk the behind of every bitch he sees or to make a quick buck...its for health reasons.
 
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Oh and castration for a dog is far less invasive that a full hysterectomy for a bitch! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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You may like it, but clearly the other woman did not - you should respect her wishes don't you think? What gives you the right to decide what is best for her or her dog? Surely she knows her dog better than you do?

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I'm sure she does, and if she wants to condemn her dog to 10-12 years of never playing with another dog that's entirely up to her, it's cruel and pointless, but entirely up to her. Same as it's entirely up to me if I choose to let my dogs off the lead and mingle, with all the risks attached. They do have good recall but on the occasions when the urge to meet a new dog has overidden their desire to come back they have sometimes been ticked off by the dog they approached and learnt a lesson from the encounter, the same as we learn our lessons in life.

I've had dogs since I was 4, am now 50, and have never had a dog involved in anything other than a wee skirmish. whereas I see from another thread that you've witnessed lots of fights and seen 2 dogs killed!!! Whatever sort of people and dogs do you meet on walks?
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So OOTP if anything happenned you would be happy to reimburse vet fees?

Heres a scenario, what if its a walker/cyclist/horserider/whatever who does not like dogs or is even firghtened of them, do you call them back and respect their wishes or do you want some inter-species 'mingling'
 
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Whatever sort of people and dogs do you meet on walks?

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I don't walk my dogs. I have no need to ever walk my dogs. I have plenty of land of my own and my dogs are rarely taken off my property.

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They do have good recall but on the occasions when the urge to meet a new dog has overidden their desire to come back they have sometimes been ticked off by the dog they approached and learnt a lesson from the encounter, the same as we learn our lessons in life.


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So in other words, you are saying that your dogs don't actually have good recall. Weren't you the lady whose dog was run over by a train because it didn't come back to you when you called it?
 
I chose to get my dog castrated before he was a year old.

As an owner I didnt want him to bother bitches on walks plus the fact I wasnt going to breed from him. I was also a bit tired of all the duvet humping!

I dont overfeed him and he is exercised daily, as castrated dogs may have a tendancy to put on more weight
 
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So OOTP if anything happenned you would be happy to reimburse vet fees?

Heres a scenario, what if its a walker/cyclist/horserider/whatever who does not like dogs or is even firghtened of them, do you call them back and respect their wishes or do you want some inter-species 'mingling'

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If I thought anything was going to happen I wouldn't let the dogs off the lead, they only go off because I know I can trust them, but I would pay the vets fees if it was my dogs fault. like any responsible dog owner. And why would they be off lead near cyclists or horseriders? And sorry but if someone who is that frightened of dogs walks where people walk their dogs off lead that's pretty dumb! But I would off course call them back if someone seemed scared, although so far no-one has seemed that scared of my raggle taggle bunch
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So in other words, you are saying that your dogs don't actually have good recall. Weren't you the lady whose dog was run over by a train because it didn't come back to you when you called it?

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Nope, not me! Must be some other person who's dogs occasionally have minds of their own too, in much the same way that children, who are I'm told even more intelligent than dogs, don't ALWAYS do as they're told either.
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our local park is for everyone to walk in, children, grannies etc. and if any of them are scared of dogs that does not give them being unable to walk in the local forest park! That's ridiculous.
 
So OOTP, your dog has more right to go anywhere (when you deem so) than a human being?

Park/woods/what have you are for everyone!
 
Ah, must have been confusing you with someone else. Are you the lady who had the hound which went missing and you were trying to find a marksman to shoot him? I'm sure I remember there was something which was a little out of the ordinary.....just can't remember what.
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Ah, must have been confusing you with someone else. Are you the lady who had the hound which went missing and you were trying to find a marksman to shoot him? I'm sure I remember there was something which was a little out of the ordinary.....just can't remember what.
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You always resort to that when we disagree about something don't you! Cracks me up
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Good point about everyone having the right to walk wherever they please. Not afraid to admit when I've said something stupid
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I guess I must have been really lucky never to have encountered anyone who has a problem with my dogs greeting them in a controlled and friendly manner (except one 10 yr old boy who had the screaming ab dabs when my dog was 100 yds away until I called him back) and never having met a dog that wanted to attack mine for being sociable.

Now I'm going to do something more pleasurable than argue with you lot, like stick pins in my eyes
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Tia, if you are not going to breed from your bitches why not get them spayed, or is it too expensive? After all according to others on this post getting them spayed protects them from getting cancer.
Surely you would want to protect your bitches as much as others here want me to protect my little dog from testicular cancer?

I must say if my dog came onto your farm and impregnated your dog I would sympathise, but I would still think it was your responsibility to protect them and yourself from their unwanted pregnancy.
Furthermore to those that think uncastrated dogs lead a miserable life I can assure you all that mine plays out with many doggy friends including bitches not in season and out to the beach, the woods and the park every day with all sorts around.
He also displays no "humping" tendancies or bad manners. I think this a symptom of behavioural problems in some male dogs that point too something lacking in their life ( no not necessarily sex!) If my dog starts all that or becomes "bitch mad" as some have suggested then certainly he would be castrated, as I personally find that behaviour offensive.
Dogs are not the same as stallions( I have owned a stallion and its just not the same thing, you are not going to get trampled to death or kicked in the head by a rearing JRT!!!).

I really do think that some people are being quite hysterical on this thread.

If your bitch should get pregnant accidently, what will you do about it - let her have them, saying its not your fault 'cos she was "raped" by a sex crazed JRT that burst into the garden.
Or be responsible for your pet and have them aborted.

Have you heard of the word anthropomorphising?
I think it applies very well here.
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Tia, if you are not going to breed from your bitches why not get them spayed, or is it too expensive?

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As I mentioned, they are spayed.
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I know all the pros and cons about having bitches spayed, that is not the issue, the issue is why should I have to do this because someone else has absolutely no clue where their dog is, when I know exactly where my dogs are ... on MY property, always. I don't have a "garden" I live on a farm and my dogs have free range of my farm and they do not leave because I took the time to teach them to remain by the house unless out on the farm with me.

When one of my boys was a stallion he never kicked anyone in the head and he certainly doesn't (and never has) misbehaved or had any undesirable behaviour. The point was not what a stallion can do to a human, just as we were not discussing what a dog can do to a human, the subject was about sex between dogs and the responsibilities of those who keep intact dogs, although my point is not exclusive to in-tact dogs, I don't want ANY stray dog on my property
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If a stray stallion were to wander onto my property and impregnate any of my mares, I would not only be very annoyed, but I would most certainly take the owner to court. Where the dog was concerned, I accepted the fact that he had impregnated one of my bitches and I dealt with the situation. All the pups are delightful and a bad situation turned into a good one and I have another dog which I am certainly not unhappy about. Having the puppies aborted would not have been a responsible thing for me to do and was never an option.

I haven't seen anyone anthropomorphising dogs on this thread - just people who have a different vision of what acceptable and responsible dog ownership is all about.
 
I crack you up? Hmm because I mentioned, on a thread about responsible dog ownership, that you lost your dog and then asked for help on here to find a marksman to shoot the dog? The relevance - you come on this thread and tell everyone that they are being too protective over their dogs; seems sadly ironic to me. I don't find it funny in the slightest, but hey if you do, that's your prerogative...
 
I have got two dogs, one is incredibly obedient and i have never walked her on a lead, perfectly well behaved, entire bitch! (collie) the other is now 12, cross breed, lab sized, i took him to training classes as a puppy, done everything by the book and he has always done as he pleases, i even had him castrated, and he still has sex with my bitch when she is in season, he is a nightmare to stop from running off aswell, the point i am making is that some dogs are far harder to train than others, and bitches are WAY easier than dogs, he does have a fantastic temperament with people and other dogs though, and i have owned dogs all my life.
 
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