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Is being treated for route cause of ulcers however after having sever grade 4, open and bleeding ulcers I want to make sure her diet is as kind on her stomach as possible.

Adlib hay over night and decent turnout. Is getting two feeds a day, each with half a stubb scoop of Dengie hi-fi molasses free, cup of baileys low cal balancer and her prescribed ulcer supplement.

Keep seeing thunderbrooks herbal chaff and not sure whether to change. Once her prescribed ulcer supplement is up I don't know where to look for added help. I keep reading that supplements are a total lie but I can't help but want to put her on something designed to help her stomach. I've looked at naf gastric aid or acid ease.

Any advice? Or should I forget about the added supplements?
 
A really good product is Protexin gut balancer - lots of people with horses prone to ulcers or that have them use it. It is fantastic.
 
shortstuff99 said:
This is a really good feeding system for the ulcer prone, you wouldn't need to feed any of your current hard food. Worked wonders for my horse! https://www.equidiet.org.uk
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Please do your research into this. Shes been walloped by the ASA for the way she falsely advertises already. Try asking whats in it. It will be enlightening.

I would use Pink Mash. Its got a full dose of protexin in it, but its better than protexin on its own. It seems to suit pretty much every horse I've ever fed it to.
 
I feed my ulcer prone horse on Pure Feeds. In fact, I feed all my beasts the same stuff and they wolf it down. It's low cal, low sugar, no alfa, no molasses, no nis, added vits/mins, added protexin... There's a few different types of feed, depending on work load and type of doer. Call them and ask advice.
 
Having read the ASA report on the equidiet complaint it seems not to be the feed that is the issue but the wording of the sales pitch. Equidgel with forage and water is an excellent feed. Perhaps better than pink mash as the pink mash bag clearly states it is not able to provide minerals and vitamins so they must be supplemented. I have no connection with equidiet and have not used it but the ASA ruling was a bit bizzare to say the least. I believe the bumph has now been altered to adhere to the ASA requirements.
I have and do use pink mash as my horses didnt like the consistancy of equidiet but it does seem to have a lot of supporters in the veterinary world and is a good concept.
I have recently trialled the veterans on Agrobs but I am not sure it is going to do the job I want either but as we are at the moment transitioning slowly onto it it might be a few weeks before we see results.
 
Leo Walker said:
Please do your research into this. Shes been walloped by the ASA for the way she falsely advertises already. Try asking whats in it. It will be enlightening.

I would use Pink Mash. Its got a full dose of protexin in it, but its better than protexin on its own. It seems to suit pretty much every horse I've ever fed it to.
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I have done my research, this feed has helped my horse and many others that I personally know of (I don't have a personal connection to it so no bias). She has won a lot of awards recently for this product and it is now endorsed by numerous vets can't be that bad then.
 
Clearly you havent if you are describing this as a feed. But if your happy to buy something thats sold in a misleading way, then carry on. I'm not I'm afraid. You are aware of what is in arent you? I'd imagine not as its not on the website and she wont tell anyone, for good reason it would seem. I guess the false advertising is working well though, so was worth the slap on the wrist.
 
turns out shes changed the website so now the ingredients are there:

Alfalfa Meal, Oatmeal, Omega 3 oil from plant source.

Thats whats in the wonderous complete feed she sells. I note shes also stopped calling it a complete feed or a complete balanced diet now though.

And this is the vitamin and mineral profile. Far from balanced. Thats also per kilogram of "feed" so you are getting 10% of those.

Nutrient EquidGel Amount in mg/kg

Vitamin A 3500IU Vitamin E 50IU Vitamin D 500IU Vitamin B1 Thiamine 21 Vitamin B2 Riboflavin 33 Vitamin B3 29 Vitamin B6 2.89 Vitamin B12 0.024 Folic Acid 1.1 Biotin 0.41 Vitamin C 28.3 DE value 1.01 MJ Nutrient EquidGel Amount in g/100g Calcium 1.51 Phosphorous 0.31 Magnesium 0.19 Sodium 0.10 Chloride 0.60 Potassium 1.43 Sulphur 0.21 Nutrient a EquidGel Amount in mg/kg Cobalt 0.36 Copper 8 Iodine 0.17 Iron 228 Manganese 24 Selenium 0.20 Zinc 24
 
Leo Walker said:
Clearly you havent if you are describing this as a feed. But if your happy to buy something thats sold in a misleading way, then carry on. I'm not I'm afraid. You are aware of what is in arent you? I'd imagine not as its not on the website and she wont tell anyone, for good reason it would seem. I guess the false advertising is working well though, so was worth the slap on the wrist.
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I call it a feed because I feed it to my horse. I also feed it conjunction with redi-grass, hay, haylage and grazing. My horse doesnt just survive off it alone.

My horse has always been fat, I fed her only a pellet balancer and hay and couldn't shift the weight. I fed the lami gel (in conjunction with oat straw, grass and hay) and in 6 months she lost 70kg. She is not girthy anymore and is a much more happy character. To me that is worth it. Her diet is balanced through this feed and a correct forage ration, I dont need to give a vit/min powder and she is not deficient in nutrients (tested).
 
Its not a feed, and its not responsible for your horse losing 70kgs. A bucket of water with some alfalfa powder, oat feed powder and oil cannot do that. Take her off it and use just water for 6 months and she wont magically gain the 70kgs back.

Your horse's diet is not balanced through using this either. You can see the list of vitamins and minerals, they are not balanced, but luckily they are minuscule so making no real impact.

The problem is, too many people believe the false advertising she used. This is a perfect case in point.

I dont care what you feed your horse, that is your choice. I do care when people are being mis sold wonder products though.

And just for the record, blood test for nutritional deficiencies in horses arent really accurate unfortunately which is a problem in itself.
 
To go back to the OP - I have been advised to avoid any chaff as sharp ends can aggravate ulcers which makes sense.

I like the fact that Pink Mash is not supplemented as that means you can select whatever supplementation is right for the particular needs of your horse taking into account what else you are feeding and what forage they are on. Pre supplemented feed just makes it all much harder.

Mine all have Pink Mash but are on different supplements. I like that flexibility.
 
LW its beginning to sound like you have a personal axe to grind. However chose what ever you want to feed your horse it is why there is choice probably too much it was much simpler when all we fed was oats and broad bran, grass and hay. Hay chaff if you had a hay chaffer but not if you didnt. there are quite a few mash diets about now most of which do not adhere to ASA conditions of sale. At least equidiet doesnt contain soya.
Incidentally does anyone know if you can still buy broad bran it was much darker colour and looked like cardboard
 
My horse was scoped a couple a few who’s and diagnosed with ulcers. She was previously fed dengie Alfa a molasses free, topspec cool balancer, Dodson and horrell competition cubes and garlic. I have now put her on:
Dengie healthy tummy, science supplements gut balancer and saracens re-leve, my vet also advised to start giving her corn oil ?
 
Mojo-dtxo said:
Dengie healthy tummy, science supplements gut balancer and saracens re-leve, my vet also advised to start giving her corn oil ?
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Yes to the oil. No to the Dengie healthy tummy - it's far too high in calories and not good for horses needing to lose weight, as the OP has suggested.

It is an absolute minefield, and all brands will push their own (usually inappropriate) products!
 
HeyMich said:
Yes to the oil. No to the Dengie healthy tummy - it's far too high in calories and not good for horses needing to lose weight, as the OP has suggested.

It is an absolute minefield, and all brands will push their own (usually inappropriate) products!
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Ah I must have missed to part about needed for to lose weight ? however my horse is a very good doer and hasn’t gained weight since being put on this, but whatever works for each horse ?
 
windand rain said:
LW its beginning to sound like you have a personal axe to grind.
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I do :) Sellers using false advertising to sell products is something I don't like in any shape or form. This one got a telling off and appears to have stopped the worst of it at least publically, but other people are still spreading the false advertising for her, so I will correct it when I see it.
 
Leo Walker said:
I do :) Sellers using false advertising to sell products is something I don't like in any shape or form. This one got a telling off and appears to have stopped the worst of it at least publically, but other people are still spreading the false advertising for her, so I will correct it when I see it.
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I think we will have to agree to disagree on this product, it has really helped my horse and I tried a massive range of diets including many that have been recommended on here that didn't do anything or made my horse worse. I don't feel I have spread anything false I have given my personnel experience with the product and I know it has helped others too. Whether you think that is wrong is up to you.
 
shortstuff99 said:
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this product, it has really helped my horse and I tried a massive range of diets including many that have been recommended on here that didn't do anything or made my horse worse. I don't feel I have spread anything false I have given my personnel experience with the product and I know it has helped others too. Whether you think that is wrong is up to you.
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I have found the Equidiet extremely effective when I used it for a mare who came back to me two years after the owner died in an awful condition and with really bad fecal water syndrome. It was as though she was washing the walls. Everything was tried and eventually I used equidiet.org.uk and it cleared it up within a short time. The old girl never looked back. So many horse feeds are overloaded with vitamins and minerals and everything else. Most are synthetic vitamins. I’ve gone back to Equidiet but I do add Equinox Original as I was giving it previously to going back to this feed.
 
Soya hulls are good for horses lots of fibre and Rowan Barbary make excellent mash products for elderly horses who have few teeth. At an equine charity I volunteer for mash feeds from rowan Barbary,spillers and pink mash keep several elderly ponies in good condition.
 
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