Feeding for energy?

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I'm hoping for some suggestions for feeding my lad. He's a 17hh IDxTB, 13yo, very good doer and tends to be on the lazy side. If it's of any help to know his routine, he is (as of this week) in during the day and out at night on average grazing. Always has restricted grazing otherwise he would be the size of a small county if I gave him ad lib hay.

I have to feed for energy because he tends to be lazy and although he is better now he's fit (I would happily hunt him for at least half the day with his current fitness level, including jumping), he is just a lazy horse. He can be spooky but I can deal with that and am happy to accept an increase in spookiness if it means a decrease in laziness (hoping that makes sense!)!

Over winter he was getting chaff with oats and was ok on that but now I want a bit more sparkle (or fizz, whatever you want to call it) so he's getting chaff, oats and competition mix. I have been thinking about changing to an oil based diet as I know that's supposed to be good for slow release energy (which is what the oats were for) but I do still need/want that extra bit of sparkle that he doesn't have on oats.

He works 5-6 days a week, plenty of hacking in a good active walk, trot and some canter work when we can get off road, schooling once or twice a week, pole work, occasional jumping, and a couple of sessions on the walker (those days he would get a walker session in the morning and ridden in the evening), so the work load is varied. He is fit as he managed a fairly fast 8 mile fun ride on Sunday without really working up a sweat.

New instructor suggested a diet for an EPSM (have I got the letters the right way around?!
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) as she says ID types tend to be prone to it, plus when I got him I was told he shivers, which she also says is quite classical of EPSM horses, though my physio doesn't think he is a true shiverer...

Any suggestions? I'm loathe to keep pumping him full of - very expensive - competition mix and oats all summer, and so far the spring grass isn't making him much more sparkley!

NB...he has a new saddle which fits, had the physio two weeks ago and had his teeth done in Nov so no physical reasons for laziness, he just is a bit lazy..
 
He sounds lovely! Have you got any piccies??
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I would suggest Allen and Page Power and Performance which sounds fantastic!!; I've never actually used this product but hold A+P in massively high regard
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I wouldnt feed competition mix with oats. Only because it will work out expensive.

Could your horse be bored. My horse perks right up when we do something different and out of the ordinary.

I second A&P power and performance. I rate A&P very highly. Contact Claire at A&P and she will be able to advise you.
 
No, he isn't bored. He does lots of different things...fun ride last Sunday, away from the yard for classical dressage lesson the day before, party the weekend before, dressage party the weekend before that... I always keep his work varied and he only needs to be schooled once or twice a week, anymore and he does get bored. He's done a little bit of hunting over winter, been in the lorry to the gallops, does flatwork clinics, XC clinics, SJ clinics... I wish it was as simple as being bored
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Don't get me wrong, he isn't a plod as he can be sharp and spooky. Get him out cantering in company and he soon perks up...like our fun ride on Sunday in which he was so over excited that he jogged for the entire 7 or 8 miles of the ride
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I'm just looking for alternatives to give him more oomph that don't involve loads of hard feed / concentrate feeds full of sugar and the rest. He's only getting oats now because he's still on part livery for a couple more weeks and they're included in the price...when he's back on DIY for summer I want something cheaper
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Spillers Instant Response Quick Release mix; Fab stuff, I fed it to my fit lazy cob last summer and I didn't have to use my legs!!
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He never put any weight on with it as he was burning the extra calories working.
Didn't make him spooky either
 
Hiya

I was having the same problem with my 17.2hh IDxDWB gelding. Only difference is that he's not that good a doer.

I find that Baileys No.1 puts a real spring in his step. He gets a cup a day and when we have a party he gets an extra cup the 2 days leading to it and he's wired to the moon
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. It's cheap, effective and a bag will last you ages. It's also meant for putting on condition but at that amount shouldn't have any influence on a big horses weight.

I've also found that he's blossomed in all ways in the last few weeks due to the spring grass and increased fitness.

Might not work on your lad but at a tenner a bag it's worth a try.
 
Thanks Kimmy
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I might give it a go but I think I will probably try the Spillers Instant Response first. I don't want to give him anything that might make him put weight on, I've just got him to where I like him and it's taken all winter LOL!
 
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Spillers Instant Response Quick Release mix; Fab stuff, I fed it to my fit lazy cob last summer and I didn't have to use my legs!!
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He never put any weight on with it as he was burning the extra calories working.
Didn't make him spooky either

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Thanks, have just had a nose at in on line and I think I will give that a go when my comp mix runs out (which won't be long, at the rate he's being fed it
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Sorry, I wasnt suggesting he was bored, was thinking of alternative causes.

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No, don't worry I know you were trying to help - I just wish it was as simple as him being bored! Would be much easier to deal with, we could just go to a couple of parties. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it
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) he is just quite a chilled out boy unless he's hunting...or on a fun ride, as I discovered last weekend...don't think I'll be brave enough for another fun ride on him
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Thanks. It seems like he likes to have company.

I had a similar problem with my horse and a very good instructor gave us a very good lesson.

Ride with 2 schooling whips and when you ask for more energy/upward transition with your legs, if he doesnt instantly respond, give him a firm tap with both sticks at the same time. the ask again and once he responds, take your leg off quickly. After a couple of circuits my horse got the idea.

Now dont get me wrong, this was not an exercise in me loosing my temper with him, but an exercise to get him to respond to my leg. When he did, he got rewarded by me taking me leg of and talking quietly to him. My instructor was a BHS instructor. We did this as she noticed I was working harder and sweating more than he was!

This worked and only every now and then does he need a refresher course.
 
I'd recommend the Spiller's Instant Response. Well, it's certainly a good starting point. Suppose it might be easier for you if your chap wasn't a good doer.
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I'd recommend the Spiller's Instant Response. Well, it's certainly a good starting point. Suppose it might be easier for you if your chap wasn't a good doer.
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Would be so much easier if he wasn't a good doer!

Have a friend who used to work for Spillers so I've emailed her to ask about it; she came back and said it would be ideal and she's going to work out how much he needs and recommend a diet for him.

Thanks for the suggestions all
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Hi

I have a horse similar to yours a good doer 17.1 ID x TB I feed instant response, alpha a and black sunflower seeds and I can highly recommend. Albert has a bucket load more go in him without being to fizzy and not to much weight gain.
 
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I have a horse similar to yours a good doer 17.1 ID x TB I feed instant response, alpha a and black sunflower seeds and I can highly recommend. Albert has a bucket load more go in him without being to fizzy and not to much weight gain.

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Thanks
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Probably a silly question but what are the sunflower seeds for?
 
Sunflower seeds are for good coat and feet slow relese energy to, advise from this very website and good advise it was too. His hoofs are in much better condition than they have been
 
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