feeding raw bones?

We need to clear something up---------------- was the bone you fed a RAW bone? There is a whole WORLD of difference between RAW bones as part of a RAW diet and those cooked/baked highly dangerous things that oh the likes of Pets at Home sell!!

What about all the nasty cases of bloat (life threatening), and obstructions caused by dry food swelling so much in dogs stomachs? Did you vet mention this?

I dont care how you sugar coat it dogs are not designed to eat processed biscuits containing mainly grain..... yes it is convenient/ yes there are some good ones out there- but no dogs were not designed to eat anything other that meat and bone!
 
Love_my_Lurcher said:
Sorry, but my dog’s welfare comes first.
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And you're saying therefore that we don't put this first? Rather rude.

You say it's your first dog? My first owned dog died of cancer-stomach and spine. The specialist said it was related to poor nutrition because I fed kibble, thinking it was a good thing to do, not realising the rubbish that goes into some dried food. I have three raw fed dogs now, none of whom have had a problem with bones. On another dog forum, lots of us feed bones. No-one has yet reported a problem. Some feed minces only, others only bones, others a mix. I think unless you have direct experience of raw feeding, you are not qualified to tell others that it is dangerous. In the picture I posted, Zak is eating quite a substantial bone and they regularly have whole carcasses/bunnies, never had a problem.

Just because my horse once colicked on grass, should I never allow him to graze again? Just because I once got thrown, should I never ride again? I've been in a car accident too, shall I walk everywhere now?

I'm sure someone can post the stats re more dogs choke on kibble than on bones (East Kent, where are you?!)
 
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not all vets would agree though and Im not sure pets at home is the most appropriate place to source the best veterinary advice.

I think is very fair and balanced viewpoint

http://www.vetbase.co.uk/?vets-arti...Dogs-and-Cats&content_type=info&record_id=173

summary quote from the article - written by Samantha Coe BvVetMed MRCVS

it should be mentioned that the feeding of raw meat may make your pet more likely to contract pathogens such as Salmonella and E.coli etc as well as parasites such as Ecchinococcus. This is an indisputable fact and must be considered if you are going to feed your pet this type of diet. Animals fed on bones may sometimes choke or suffer from impactions. I believe it is irresponsible if these facts are not pointed out, although a raw meaty bones diet may still be best for your pet.

In general I support the Raw Meaty Bones movement as I am convinced that a natural (non-processed) diet is best for animals.
 
cinnamontoast said:
And you're saying therefore that we don't put this first? Rather rude.

You say it's your first dog? My first owned dog died of cancer-stomach and spine. The specialist said it was related to poor nutrition because I fed kibble, thinking it was a good thing to do, not realising the rubbish that goes into some dried food. I have three raw fed dogs now, none of whom have had a problem with bones. On another dog forum, lots of us feed bones. No-one has yet reported a problem. Some feed minces only, others only bones, others a mix. I think unless you have direct experience of raw feeding, you are not qualified to tell others that it is dangerous. In the picture I posted, Zak is eating quite a substantial bone and they regularly have whole carcasses/bunnies, never had a problem.

Just because my horse once colicked on grass, should I never allow him to graze again? Just because I once got thrown, should I never ride again? I've been in a car accident too, shall I walk everywhere now?

I'm sure someone can post the stats re more dogs choke on kibble than on bones (East Kent, where are you?!)
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CT which forum are you on please hun?
 
We get a bag of bones from the butchers for free, all sorts of ribs, back bones, mainly beef I think. Rosie dog loves them, never done her any harm although she gets them more in summer as she can go out in the garden with them then ;) she loves lambs liver too, thought she was in heaven the day we killed our 6 lambs and I brought all the livers, kidney and hearts into the kitchen :D
 
Love_my_Lurcher said:
I am 31,
Same age as me. When I was growing up my mother was cutting and mincing her own tripe, Winalot had just come on the scene

What should be is the fact that bones can and have been highly dangerous for dogs.
Not any of mine, or for any dog owners that I know or have connections to, and that would be numbering many

Brochan is my first dog. I tend to talk more about what experiences I have had with Brochan because those have been first hand.
Righto.

Please call Pets at Home in Livingston and ask to speak to the vet I spoke to.
A vet in a franchise which sells pet food.

I am sure he would be more than happy to tell you about all the emergency surgeries he has had to perform to remove bone obstructions, to sew up the insides of dogs because they have been ripped open by bones. Then, you tell him that you think it's perfectly alright to feed bones regularly to your dogs. He might just tell you that your dogs might be on the table next needing life saving surgery.
No, none of that would put me off and I still think it is perfectly alright to feed bones regularly to my dogs and I will tell anyone and everyone about that. All of our vets over the years have never had an issue with feeding raw bones.

Sorry, but my dog’s welfare comes first.
So does mine, so I will feed what he is designed to eat
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No comments on the questions about teeth?

LML, this thread is about raw bones, there are several commenters here who have fed raw to multiple dogs for many years with no problems (I'm a newbie to a whole raw diet I will admit, but we have always fed bones and tripe), do you really think some of us will turn around and say OHMIGOD!!!! I'm never feeding raw again!
 
Oh and by the way, can I say I have nothing against Wainwrights at all, Love My Lurcher (you know it is MADE by Pets at Home, it's their own brand?) as that is what my older dog is fed (the senior salmon and potato dry one), it suits him and all his weird, evolutionary 'I can't tolerate meat' and allergy/gastric issues, I wonder how that happened.

Oh - but he does also get bones :p
 
CaveCanem said:
No comments on the questions about teeth?

LML, this thread is about raw bones, there are several commenters here who have fed raw to multiple dogs for many years with no problems (I'm a newbie to a whole raw diet I will admit, but we have always fed bones and tripe), do you really think some of us will turn around and say OHMIGOD!!!! I'm never feeding raw again!
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I will say again that the vet did NOT try to push ANYTHING! He could have easily tried to sell something, but he didn't. What do you say about that?

Regarding Pets at Home not being the best place for veterinary advice. Do you think the vets at those stores train exclusively for the chain? Or are they trained at the same vet schools as the other vets who have private practices?

As for dogs being designed to only eat meat and bone. What about dogs that are intolerant to meat or those that turn their noses away from it? I spoke to a lady who had a Staffy that would only eat vegetables. Wouldn't have anything to do with meat. She lived until she was fourteen. Which I have been told is a good age for the breed. What do you say about that?

Also, the problems with bloat, and kibble expanding in the stomach. That only happen when you feed too much at one go. That is why vets (even the ones at Pets at Home) will recommend that the daily allowance is split into two meals. Brochan gets about half a scoop at a time and around a quarter of a tin of wet food. The latter is almost pure meat. I have actually tasted his food, and can tell you that Wainwrights lamb, and chicken are VERY meaty. He NEVER gets poor quality food. I wholeheartedly support the withdrawal of garbage like Bakers and Pedigree from every store.

I am also aware of what the purposes of a dog’s teeth are. Does that mean they absolutely must have bones?

I have just got it confirmed and the bone was a raw knuckle one.
 
I feed my whippets bones ,depending what I can get from butchers ,they prefer raw meat n bones every time but not always possible to get ,otherwise they're on redmills
Never had any problems ,poo less ,white teeth and very satisfied n contented
Yep with chicken wings if they hav tips on them I hold the end while they r crunching ,,as one of my dogs is a ganet !!
 
Love_my_Lurcher said:
I have actually tasted his food, and can tell you that Wainwrights lamb, and chicken are VERY meaty. He NEVER gets poor quality food. .
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but Wainwrights wet lamb is not what I would call VERY meaty.

If you look CAREFULLY at the label of the adult lamb tray you will see that it is actually 73.9% moisture!! Of the remaining 26.1% of 'matter' that goes into this VERY meaty product ONLY 70% of that is meat. In other words, the meat content is 18.2%.......:eek:

http://www.petsathome.com/shop/wain...ce-395gm-12-pack-27697?cm_re=barilliance-_-up sell-_-product details

Glad you enjoyed it though.
 
I'm another RMB feeder (large dog).

My dog got pancreatitis and nearly died and my amazing vet recommended switching her to RMB diet. She's a rescue and we'd bought very expensive high quality (haha) kibble but god knows what she had to eat before us!

Two years later. New dog. Healthy. More trainable, no smell, keen on her food and loves to take her time to either stand guard over a few chicken carcasses ... or settle in her cage for 30 minutes with a lamb carcass as a gorge day treat. I too worry that she could choke, splinter, etc .. but have placed this in same risk category as horse choke, human choke, etc. If it happened, it would be a terrifying accident. Mine only eats meat/bones/fish/egg + apple & peas & melon. She rejects all other vegetables and fruit.
 
Love_my_Lurcher said:
I will say again that the vet did NOT try to push ANYTHING! He could have easily tried to sell something, but he didn't. What do you say about that?
Um, I never said he tried to sell you anything.

Regarding Pets at Home not being the best place for veterinary advice. Do you think the vets at those stores train exclusively for the chain? Or are they trained at the same vet schools as the other vets who have private practices?
I never said that Pets at Home was not the best place for veterinary advice, I said it was a chain that sells pet food.

As for dogs being designed to only eat meat and bone. What about dogs that are intolerant to meat or those that turn their noses away from it? I spoke to a lady who had a Staffy that would only eat vegetables. Wouldn't have anything to do with meat. She lived until she was fourteen. Which I have been told is a good age for the breed. What do you say about that?
My older dog is intolerant to meat. If you read my last post, you will see gets Wainwrights salmon and potato because it suits him. I tried him on raw, he scratched himself til he bled. BUT I maintain that the best diet for a dog is raw and it should be fed where possible and if it suits the dog - you are discounting raw feeding for all dogs - I think it is very sad that he has evolved that way. My old dog lived to 14 too...and she ate bones!!

Also, the problems with bloat, and kibble expanding in the stomach. That only happen when you feed too much at one go.
GSDs are prone to bloat and torsion. I have never heard of a raw fed dog - in my own experience - suffering from either.

I am also aware of what the purposes of a dog’s teeth are. Does that mean they absolutely must have bones?
Yes, if it suits them, no if it doesn't. You are "recommending' in your first post in this thread and in subsequent posts that people NEVER feed bones and people who do are not acting in their dog's best interests.
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That's what I say about that :p

What do YOU say to the many people all over the world, obedience and agility trainers, police and army dog handlers, people who have been working with and competing and owning multiple pet or working or show dogs over many years, who feed a natural raw diet with no problem, do you really think they don't care about their dogs, do you think their dogs are dropping like flies from ripped open stomachs, and do you think their vets disapprove?!
 
CaveCanem said:
That's what I say about that :p

What do YOU say to the many people all over the world, obedience and agility trainers, police and army dog handlers, people who have been working with and competing and owning multiple pet or working or show dogs over many years, who feed a natural raw diet with no problem, do you really think they don't care about their dogs, do you think their dogs are dropping like flies from ripped open stomachs, and do you think their vets disapprove?!
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id hope not lol, as someone with multiple dogs who has trained and worked with them for rather a long time Id be rather miffed if anyone thought I didnt absolutely put my dog's welfare first;) I put as much time into researching and proving my dogs with the best diet I possibly can as do into sourcing natural organic ingredients and making sure my baby gets only home cooked food and nothing processed whatsoever.

some vets are better than others and there are very few I will even take mine to see ;) There must be half a dozen local practices, each with multiple vets but currently there is 1 vet I trust and a 2nd who will 'do' if the first isnt available but only for routine things. Anything more than routine I go straight to a specialist.

It was me who said Pets At Home wasnt the best place for Veterinary advice.. the vet may have trained the same as all others but but is now employed by a pet shop chain and i wouldnt trust a word they said. That is MVHO
 
JeanetteMerryXmas said:
If I read and listened and responded to every link that was posted on here, then I'd wrap my dog in bubble wrap and never leave the house :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Google "dog choking on dry food" and you won't feed it anything either! ;)


I can see both sides but re feeding bones but to those specific articles, the first one is about feeding dogs left over bones from human food, which no one is advocating. The others list as a major risk people giving dogs marrow bones which get caught on the teeth - again, why would you do this? Feeding a raw diet/bones doesn't mean abdicating common sense.
 
gunnergundog said:
Sorry to rain on your parade, but Wainwrights wet lamb is not what I would call VERY meaty.

If you look CAREFULLY at the label of the adult lamb tray you will see that it is actually 73.9% moisture!! Of the remaining 26.1% of 'matter' that goes into this VERY meaty product ONLY 70% of that is meat. In other words, the meat content is 18.2%.......:eek:

http://www.petsathome.com/shop/wain...ce-395gm-12-pack-27697?cm_re=barilliance-_-up sell-_-product details

Glad you enjoyed it though.
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Your the best
 
Love_my_Lurcher said:
I will say again that the vet did NOT try to push ANYTHING! He could have easily tried to sell something, but he didn't. What do you say about that?

Regarding Pets at Home not being the best place for veterinary advice. Do you think the vets at those stores train exclusively for the chain? Or are they trained at the same vet schools as the other vets who have private practices?

As for dogs being designed to only eat meat and bone. What about dogs that are intolerant to meat or those that turn their noses away from it? I spoke to a lady who had a Staffy that would only eat vegetables. Wouldn't have anything to do with meat. She lived until she was fourteen. Which I have been told is a good age for the breed. What do you say about that?

Also, the problems with bloat, and kibble expanding in the stomach. That only happen when you feed too much at one go. That is why vets (even the ones at Pets at Home) will recommend that the daily allowance is split into two meals. Brochan gets about half a scoop at a time and around a quarter of a tin of wet food. The latter is almost pure meat. I have actually tasted his food, and can tell you that Wainwrights lamb, and chicken are VERY meaty. He NEVER gets poor quality food. I wholeheartedly support the withdrawal of garbage like Bakers and Pedigree from every store.

I am also aware of what the purposes of a dog’s teeth are. Does that mean they absolutely must have bones?

I have just got it confirmed and the bone was a raw knuckle one.
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Not one of us has said "do not feed kibble" in fact all of us have said good quality ones are fine- because we have a balanced view- unlike the "bones will kill your dog" brigade no one said you fed crap........ why you would taste it is slightly beyond me but each to their own!
 
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