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Well, first things first, PLEASE don't get the impression that I haven't bothered waiting or giving it time, please read the full message first...

My sharer and I have taken on a 15.1/2 Welsh Section D mare.
We knew she had issues, these were fully explained to us and these consisted of rearing with a new rider, being difficult to mount when left for periods of time without ridden exercise, and hacking alone she can be spooky.

Now, she arrived around 1pm on Saturday, was strong upon unloading (completely understandable), we put her in a stable, which I might add is an open type stable, very large and bright and airy, she had a feed and some haylage. We only put her there as the rain was horrendous and wanted it to dry a bit before turning her out, once the rain stopped we turned her out, and she was fine. She was turned out into the field next to my Cob youngster.
I arrived yesterday and walked to the yard owners house to pay my livery and get some extra fencing to section her off only too see she was in a different field, so as I have walked down to the field expecting to just see her having jumped into an empty field and need putting back, I realised upon closer inspection that she has not jumped 1 field but 3, and in the process she has pulled an entire 2 lines of electric fencing completely down and managed to push a mother to the foal in the field next to her, into a completely different field that hadn't been grazed in for a very long time so was extremely lush.
This was just the start!

I removed her from said field after repairing all the fencing, bought her up to the yard WITH my cob as hes a bombproof little fella, and she tied up lovely to begin with but had a few prancy moments. I then took my cob youngster into the school because I had planned on doing some desensitizing, and the second I untied him she decided to go mental, pulling away from the tie up, throwing her weight about like she was 20hh+, so I asked sharer to untie her and walk her around to calm her down, as I was only planning to do 5 minutes with the youngster. Everything went fairly quiet and I wrongly assumed she had calmed down and realised she wasn't going to meltdown if on her own, but as I walked back with youngster I see sharer bleeding left right and centre and horse rearing (albeit only a few feet off the floor, not a full on rear).

The moral of this is that she clearly cannot cope with being alone, hence the field jumping and the eratic response to being left alone.
This means hacking alone I suspect is not just difficult but actually impossible, this also means that too avoid her jumping into the wrong fields I have had to put her in with my cob youngster which I know is the wrong thing to do because this will encourage her too associate being with him all the time but for financial reasons, moving her to another yard just isn't an option but yard owner won't tolerate (which is fair enough!), her destroying all the fencing, not too mention the enemies I have probably made from her pushing all the horses out of their fields!

Now I have to move her today with my cob as we have had a flood warning as they are by the river and their fields are already very boggy. I think she will be fine to lead, I am confident enough with her, and as horrible as it may sound, short, sharp and loud no's make Kiyah freeze on the spot, no matter what she is doing, but I am worried that moving her again is going to send her crazy.

She turned 6 in may, was badly broken as a 2 year old, so rehoming her etc is not an option, I am determined to work thorough her issues, I was fully aware of her having issues, which is why I took her on because I have the time and patience too work with her BUT I have seen this before and this is not the horse that was described as ONLY having mounting issues, she was described as a saint on the ground, and yes I am fully aware I have only had her 2 days but because I have seen this behaviour before, I am pretty confident that it's not something she will grow out of or will be easily fixed, so my reason for this very long and boring rant is, that I need some suggestions from you guys..

Has anyone else had these types of problems with seperation anxiety and what was your answer to them? In her last home she travelled everywhere with a horse because she wouldnt go alone, and was hacked in company, and tied up in company, but bringing 2 horses up constantly isn't an option for me and I am not prepared to make it an option.

Is rebacking a good idea? Even though yes she is fully rideable and after she had caused all that havoc in the yard with sharer, I took her in the school to calm down, and she lunged almost beautifully but she threw her head down alot and refused to just walk, but did trot nicely, there was no ring of death or endless cantering.

My plan at the moment is too call in a professional who I know and trust to ride her and give us her opinion. She has been vet checked by last owners recently, along with back check and had saddle professionally fitted (obviously thats nothing to do with her yard behaviour!) I have also tried leading her in her bridle and this has no effect whatsoever.

I will be buying a dually but again, I think this will have very little of an effect on this horse.
Here is a picture of her tacked up in the school and as you can see, pretty calm once in there!
(Please excuse state of school - and she has a rope halter on underneath her bridle, but no it didn't interfere with her bridle atall)
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SOOOOO sorry for this stupidly long post, just wanted to get everything out!
 
I think part of the separation anxiety problem is that she doesn't know you yet and is clearly feeling anxious and more unsettled than usual. Everything is new to her, including you and your sharer.

To be honest, I would let her settle in and get to know you better before trying to do much with her. You need to bond.
 
Rueysmum said:
I think part of the separation anxiety problem is that she doesn't know you yet and is clearly feeling anxious and more unsettled than usual. Everything is new to her, including you and your sharer.

To be honest, I would let her settle in and get to know you better before trying to do much with her. You need to bond.
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Part of me knows that and appreciates the fact once she trust us, she will hopefully calm down, but for her too behave like she did tells me that even once she trusts us more, it's not going to stop the fact she really did act completely out of proportion, and there was no reason for her to jump all the fencing, as it achieved nothing, she was already right next to my cob, but she felt the need to jump a few fields and end up in no better a predicament.

I could be totally wrong and I hope I am, just seeing her behave like she did just tells me that even more trust isn't going to solve anything.
Also when she arrived they told us she has done some small shows but the busier shows she cannot handle and becomes unruly, but at the time I stupidly almost blanked that comment. It's only when we think back I think we realised putting 2 and 2 together makes 4 lol.
 
I would leave it alone to settle in for a week or 2.

I completely agree with you that the behaviour you are seeing is unlikely to be just due to moving, but at least this way you cab let it calm down a bit and let the dust settle.

Re separation anxiety, it is SUCH a pain in the backside. It's sometimes helpful to change the horse she lives with regularly, so that they don't get that obsessively close bond.

I have had this problem with one of mine last year, she was unmanageable away from her friend and I only had the 2 at the time so it was a complete nightmare.
I started putting them so they were in next door fields for a few hours a day, so they could see each other but not be together.
Then I started getting her in for a few hours a day away from him.
She went nuts to start with but I just made sure the stable was safe and left her to it, she also came to accept this.

I was v nearly on top of it when she had a fight with a fence and lost, and had to be pts :(
Nothing to do with the separation though, they were together at the time.

But I digress...

Have you spoken to the old owners about it?
 
Ps I do agree with you about it not JUST being that she needs to settle in....this excuse bugs me a bit because a good horse is a good horse wherever it goes - mine wouldn't do this no matter where I moved them!
 
If she settled in the stable when you unloaded her, I can see no good reason for tying her up in the yard - just pop her in the stable.
Unfortunately this horse has no idea who you are, where she is or who the horses in the next field are. She has no idea who she can trust (equine or human). She will be on high alert all the time.
For the time being, I think you and your sharer need to be there together, dealing with both horses together, then gradually expecting the mare to take the lead and slowly working on the time she is expected to be on her own getting longer. You will need to be very confident in your dealings with her so that she can become confident in you. This is obviously what has been missing in her life until now.
I would never put a new horse into a paddock with only electric fencing as a boundary, imo this was an accident waiting to happen. All new horses need sturdy boundaries, I prefer walls but post and rail fencing in good condition would also be suitable.
I would also look at her feed and make sure that she is only getting a very basic fibre-filled diet.
 
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patterdale said:
I would leave it alone to settle in for a week or 2.

I completely agree with you that the behaviour you are seeing is unlikely to be just due to moving, but at least this way you cab let it calm down a bit and let the dust settle.

Re separation anxiety, it is SUCH a pain in the backside. It's sometimes helpful to change the horse she lives with regularly, so that they don't get that obsessively close bond.

I have had this problem with one of mine last year, she was unmanageable away from her friend and I only had the 2 at the time so it was a complete nightmare.
I started putting them so they were in next door fields for a few hours a day, so they could see each other but not be together.
Then I started getting her in for a few hours a day away from him.
She went nuts to start with but I just made sure the stable was safe and left her to it, she also came to accept this.

I was v nearly on top of it when she had a fight with a fence and lost, and had to be pts :(
Nothing to do with the separation though, they were together at the time.

But I digress...

Have you spoken to the old owners about it?
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Sorry to hear that :( that's what I obviously really don't want to become the case!

I haven't spoken to them about it yet because I feel that saying anything just yet wouldn't be wise until I have left her longer to settle to see if I can work round it but I am glad you see where I am coming from, I really don't think just moving can cause the behaviour she managed to show yesterday, it really was like she just switched into something with no control.
I just wondered if I could get any advice from anybody here as too how they dealt with it.

Putting her in with other horses isn't an option at this yard unfortunately, as each have their own strip or if you own more than one you can have them together.
She is being moved today with my cob into a really large double strip that my yard manager has kindly given me so I am hoping I can think about sectioning a little bit off to get her used to being on her own a bit. She wil have to learn to adapt as there just isn't an option for her to be that way inclined...

I'm just not sure on the best way to go about it..
 
Pearlsasinger said:
If she settled in the stable when you unloaded her, I can see no good reason for tying her up in the yard - just pop her in the stable.
Unfortunately this horse has no idea who you are, where she is or who the horses in the next field are. She has no idea who she can trust (equine or human). She will be on high alert all the time.
For the time being, I think you and your sharer need to be there together, dealing with both horses together, then gradually expecting the mare to take the lead and slowly working on the time she is expected to be on her own getting longer. You will need to be very confident in your dealings with her so that she can become confident in you. This is obviously what has been missing in her life until now.
I would also look at her feed and make sure that she is only getting a very basic fibre-filled diet.
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Because the stable was only a temporary option for that day, we don't actually have stables for her, she lives out. That stable belonged to someone else who kindly allowed us too use it.

She also isn't being fed, she is a great weight and hasn't been fed in last home, but we are considering HiFi Lite and Calm and Condition for her, not just for the feed side of things but to bond with her by teaching her we are there for the good not the bad!
 
Is this the mare you were given and only had to pay a nominal amount for tack? I understood that you were advised she had issues - otherwise her previous owners would not have gifted her......?
 
I certainly wouldn't feed her Calm & Condition - it's not magic!
It WILL put condition on and will NOT have a calming effect, it's just not a 'heating' food.
This is going to take a lot of patience and time. TBH, I'm not sure that your current yard has the facilities that you and your horse need. It would be much easier to address the separation issues with a stable for available and a more natural, safer, turnout option.
 
crellow4 said:
Is this the mare you were given and only had to pay a nominal amount for tack? I understood that you were advised she had issues - otherwise her previous owners would not have gifted her......?
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Yes thats the one, yes as I said in the post I was told she had mounting issues, that was the MAIN reason for her sale, it was also mentioned hacking alone she was spooky, and would attempt to rear with a new rider..

there was NO mention of the behaviour that she displayed yesterday and it really was crazy, not just something small and insignificant due to being a new place...

Pearlsasinger said:
I certainly wouldn't feed her Calm & Condition - it's not magic!
It WILL put condition on and will NOT have a calming effect, it's just not a 'heating' food.
This is going to take a lot of patience and time. TBH, I'm not sure that your current yard has the facilities that you and your horse need. It would be much easier to address the separation issues with a stable for available and a more natural, safer, turnout option.
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I didn't think it was magic, it was more for bonding and didn't want to feed her anything fizzy, so picked something non heating, I didn't for a minute assume it would knock her for six and turn her into a dope on a rope!

I don't think a yard with certain facilities makes any difference either tbh.

I can have a stable if I wish too but as she has always lived out, why should suddenly putting her in make all the problems go away?

She is being moved to a safer and better turnout option, however no matter where she goes, if she feels the need to jump the fencing she will..

She is 110% used to the type of yard she is on because she came from one very similar in almost every way.

I don't think moving to a more expensive yard will make any difference whatsoever to the way she feels like behaving...

I am not disregarding your advice, I just don't agree with it. She should behave in an acceptable manner no matter what the yard facilities on offer are.

She is not the horse that was described and I am not going to get rid because of it, I just want some advice and perhaps peoples own experiences to help me forwards.
 
If you can't work through this, and it does sound as though her problems run deep, is it possible she could go on working livery to a riding school, where she would not have to do anything alone?
 
Always saddens me when folk acquire their horse/pony, know the issues it has then they are suprised when it doesn't behave when they have only it for a few days

That aside, I think the way forward for now is handling from the ground, hours of it every day for weeks if not months, long reigning, hours of grooming, tie up for a few minutes alone, go back, repeat and so on.

Sorry if I am teaching you to suck eggs, but slowly slowly is the key, let her get to know you, bond with you, be kind but firm, no shouting. As a pervious poster said, she doesn't know you, wonders where she is, bewildered.

In my opinion, look after her and teach her the way and she'll lok after you.
 
In my (limited :-)) experience, Welsh sec D mares are HARD work! We had one on loan for my son for 3 & a half years & she had all the issues that you are experiencing. On the ground she was a complete nightmare & often VERY scary. My teenage son couldn't do anything with her & i had to go into her stable with a stick. She would regularly break away & gallop off, even in a chifney she was difficult.

She had awful separation issues & it wasn't just with one horse, if she came in, everything had to come in & we had 7 at that time.

There were many, many times when i thought that a bullet was the answer. However, under saddle she was amazing & gave my children the most wonderful experiences.

All i can say, is that over time we learnt to deal with her, the whole yard revolved around how she liked things done & as she gradually trusted us she did become easier & safer to handle.

I understand that they can be quite temperamental & not all are quiet & ploddy like people often think.

Good luck with yours, i'd be getting some professional advice if i were you.

Take care.
 
I wouldn't describe what you have said as "issues" so far particularly. Lots of horses would get wound up and jump over small electric fencing if moved to a new yard and turned out alone.

I'd turn her out in company, do whatever it takes to ensure she has company, and ideally somewhere with more substantial fencing.

I wouldn't say that a horse that doesn't like to be alone would be nappy hacking. I've had several horses that strongly object to being turned out alone who hacked perfectly well either alone or in company.
 
debsey1 said:
Always saddens me when folk acquire their horse/pony, know the issues it has then they are suprised when it doesn't behave when they have only it for a few days

That aside, I think the way forward for now is handling from the ground, hours of it every day for weeks if not months, long reigning, hours of grooming, tie up for a few minutes alone, go back, repeat and so on.

Sorry if I am teaching you to suck eggs, but slowly slowly is the key, let her get to know you, bond with you, be kind but firm, no shouting. As a pervious poster said, she doesn't know you, wonders where she is, bewildered.

In my opinion, look after her and teach her the way and she'll lok after you.
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As I said, I am MORE than willing to give her the time she needs :(

I really really am not just assuming she is going to be a complete problem no matter what but she IS a different horse ALTOGETHER, not just a little, but completely. She was described as a complete saint on the ground to handle with no issues whatsoever.
When the fact she feels the need to rear, break away, fight and generally do anything in her power to run through you, tells me she is anything but a saint on the ground..

I am going to go back to basics with her, almost as if to reback, but I just wanted to know what other peoples experiences were and where they would suggest I start, completely reback, or just be firm and carry on from where we are?

I am merely describing the experience I had yesterday, I have not posted saying I am going to get rid and shes horrible and everything else. Shes lovely and she definitely is worth the time and patience..
 
Mithras said:
I wouldn't describe what you have said as "issues" so far particularly. Lots of horses would get wound up and jump over small electric fencing if moved to a new yard and turned out alone.

I'd turn her out in company, do whatever it takes to ensure she has company, and ideally somewhere with more substantial fencing.

I wouldn't say that a horse that doesn't like to be alone would be nappy hacking. I've had several horses that strongly object to being turned out alone who hacked perfectly well either alone or in company.
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Sugar_and_Spice said:
If you can't work through this, and it does sound as though her problems run deep, is it possible she could go on working livery to a riding school, where she would not have to do anything alone?
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I would prefer to keep her with me as until I have worked through all her issues I know a riding school wouldn't take her anyway, as she is guarenteed to rear with a new rider and due to her experiences in the past she can be difficult under saddle anyway, I want to enjoy her for her, as does the sharer, so would prefer to work on her issues than ignore them.

HazyXmas said:
In my (limited :-)) experience, Welsh sec D mares are HARD work! We had one on loan for my son for 3 & a half years & she had all the issues that you are experiencing. On the ground she was a complete nightmare & often VERY scary. My teenage son couldn't do anything with her & i had to go into her stable with a stick. She would regularly break away & gallop off, even in a chifney she was difficult.

She had awful separation issues & it wasn't just with one horse, if she came in, everything had to come in & we had 7 at that time.

There were many, many times when i thought that a bullet was the answer. However, under saddle she was amazing & gave my children the most wonderful experiences.

All i can say, is that over time we learnt to deal with her, the whole yard revolved around how she liked things done & as she gradually trusted us she did become easier & safer to handle.

I understand that they can be quite temperamental & not all are quiet & ploddy like people often think.

Good luck with yours, i'd be getting some professional advice if i were you.

Take care.
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I have heard this many a time lol :) I should have known better really but she is so gorgoues and deep down I know she just wants love and attention but the shell on her is a wild beast!

I am going to give her everything I can.

Thank you :D

Mithras said:
I wouldn't describe what you have said as "issues" so far particularly. Lots of horses would get wound up and jump over small electric fencing if moved to a new yard and turned out alone.

I'd turn her out in company, do whatever it takes to ensure she has company, and ideally somewhere with more substantial fencing.

I wouldn't say that a horse that doesn't like to be alone would be nappy hacking. I've had several horses that strongly object to being turned out alone who hacked perfectly well either alone or in company.
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I already know she doesn't hack out alone, and she is turned out with my cob but turning her out constantly in company is backing up her issues with being alone. If I come to the yard and wish to ride alone, taking her out the field would be impossible. I need to cure the seperation anxietym not encourage it.

I definitely will look into getting some 4/5 foot posts instead of the current 3 foot that are in the field.

:)
 
I would like too add - although there is fencing in between her and other horses, she can still groom them, so really and truly, shes not turned out ''alone'' completely.
 
ItsJzo said:
I would like too add - although there is fencing in between her and other horses, she can still groom them, so really and truly, shes not turned out ''alone'' completely.
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Do you have the electric fence on? I've never known mine groom over 'on' fencing, if they can groom then they can also kick each other.

IME electric tape & posts are extremely dangerous when used without a current running through them. I think that you were very lucky that she didn't have an injury when she went through it, a friend of mine has just had a £1000 vet bill when her horse went through some that she hadn't put on.

If you put it on the mains she should learn to respect it :-)
 
Oh dear, one rather saw this coming:(

btw you are now saying they said she was a complete saint on the ground with no issues but in your previous post you said that she was described as strong on the ground. Did you not take the opportunity to handle her before you bought her?

If the previous owners coped with her on the ground then I'd be making calling them and asking how they managed her a priority.

I'm sure once she settles down and you learn how to reassure her it will work out.
 
HazyXmas said:
Do you have the electric fence on? I've never known mine groom over 'on' fencing, if they can groom then they can also kick each other.

IME electric tape & posts are extremely dangerous when used without a current running through them. I think that you were very lucky that she didn't have an injury when she went through it, a friend of mine has just had a £1000 vet bill when her horse went through some that she hadn't put on.

If you put it on the mains she should learn to respect it :-)
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Thats my point though, it is on, and it is mains, it gives one hell of a bolt when touched, our yard manager won't allow us to touch the fencing because of this, he deals with all the electric fencing, and sectioning.
 
Tbh, there doesn't sound much wrong with her. She's young & has known issues, she just needs time & patience. My 23yr old goes anywhere on her own but hops out if turned out alone, so it doesn't mean anything, she doesn't stress, but will go & find her own company.Given that she's just moved to a new yard & people keep taking her company away, plus the fact she's not one that settles easily with new riders her behavior is to be expected. Separation anxiety isn't solved by sticking them on their own & making them learn to deal with it. You need to leave her with company till she trusts you. Then slowly get her used to being alone, initially just for a minute so she realises there's nothing to be anxious about. And at first anything she does without company should be positive & something you know she enjoys, so she develops the view being alone is a good experience. Daughters used to flip if my mare was more than a few feet away at first. From 3 to 12 months had lived alone & was determined not to be separated again. But slowly got over it. Last year as a 4 yr old she was more relaxed alone than most other horses.
And don't take this as just having a go, but if you want to take in cheap project horses you should really only take on those who you have the experience to deal with reasonably well.
 
Just noted..... Despite the lengthy and clear post at the beginning ....some members are answering without bothering to actually read what OP said! and she was asking for more ideas and help!

Good luck OP. Section Ds can be a real handful and are known for it. I would chalk it down to an insecure mare and one testing her new boundaries so hope she settles..have you thought about a genera calmer while she is settling in? something like Magic?
 
say for example this mare had never experienced electric fencing/or had but not been near live electric fencing for a while or even your fencing is much stronger than she has experienced before-she leans under/over/through to say hello to her new neighbours and 'WACK' something got her she has no idea where it came from, she is somewhere new, surrounded by being (horse and human) she does not know.
what would you do in her shoes? me i would run s*d the fencing i am not looking at that i am a prey animal i run for my life.
i hate individual turnout unless strictly needed for something that will attack all others (we have one of those at work)

was she in the manege on her without other horses?

i also wish people would get over the 'wont hack alone' thing-unless your horse goes with no rider it is not alone-you are there:eek:

some horses go completely to pot when changing yards turn her out with as many friends as you can (this can help as they dont become dependant on just one) and dont rush it, you could see this mare was stressed before you put tack on her and took her into what looks like a school you cannot see out of and expected her to perform i would say you need to take more time a build up some respect and connection.

personally i would say from your posts she has already proved too much, i dont think there is a problem with but not sure where you can go with it either
 
Dee O'Dorant said:
Oh dear, one rather saw this coming:(

btw you are now saying they said she was a complete saint on the ground with no issues but in your previous post you said that she was described as strong on the ground. Did you not take the opportunity to handle her before you bought her?

If the previous owners coped with her on the ground then I'd be making calling them and asking how they managed her a priority.

I'm sure once she settles down and you learn how to reassure her it will work out.
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Strong but handable, as in she would walk headstrong but that was it.

I hadn't had a chance to, I had arranged to but they went away for 2 weeks and said they would just deliver her the day after they got back so I agreed, I know ive shot myself in the foot but its not the fact that I am thinking getting her was a bad idea..

I am strong enough and confident enough to get through this and work with her, she is beautiful and with time and patience I am sure she will be fine, I am just a bit confused as too where too start and hence why I seeked the advice for that because she is different to what was described and it's thrown me a little
 
Focus on the basics. Don't ride if you can't handle on ground suitably. Get to know her and give her trust.

Build things up as if she's unhandled, don't assume she's had anything done with her and work little by little.

Simply sounds like a case of time and trust to me.

Is there a sensible companion to turn out with? Or is there a reason she's isolated. I know some horses who over the fence is fine, others who individual is fine and others who go can't cope without something in with them. Not every horse is okay just being able to touch one over the fence.

Perhaps she was a saint on the ground for her last owners?
I know that my youngster has always been very sensible when in a field with me and everyone else as far as I knew, then I hear she was biting (something she'd never done before) and launching herself at one livery who walked through the field. Turns out they were slipping her food everytime she trotted up and ended up with a problem on their hands. Second they stopped she left them to it.
I also know horses who completely play up the second someone else is leading them. She's in a new place, new owners and to be quite frank sounds like she has little trust in you to protect her right now. She's either truly frightened or testing you, either way you need to be there and let her know you aren't a passing phase, you're reliable, you don't jump when she does and you don't want to take her away from horses every time you go to say hello and work her.

It isn't going to happen overnight and personally I would not be riding her until I was happy with her on the ground.

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ItsJzo said:
Yes thats the one, yes as I said in the post I was told she had mounting issues, that was the MAIN reason for her sale, it was also mentioned hacking alone she was spooky, and would attempt to rear with a new rider..

there was NO mention of the behaviour that she displayed yesterday and it really was crazy, not just something small and insignificant due to being a new place...



I didn't think it was magic, it was more for bonding and didn't want to feed her anything fizzy, so picked something non heating, I didn't for a minute assume it would knock her for six and turn her into a dope on a rope!

Sorry, it read is if you thought that C&C had a calmer in it, it doesn't

I don't think a yard with certain facilities makes any difference either tbh.

I can have a stable if I wish too but as she has always lived out, why should suddenly putting her in make all the problems go away?
This would be a valid argument if the problems had only just started

She is being moved to a safer and better turnout option, however no matter where she goes, if she feels the need to jump the fencing she will..

She is 110% used to the type of yard she is on because she came from one very similar in almost every way.

I don't think moving to a more expensive yard will make any difference whatsoever to the way she feels like behaving...

I am not disregarding your advice, I just don't agree with it. She should behave in an acceptable manner no matter what the yard facilities on offer are.

She is not the horse that was described and I am not going to get rid because of it, I just want some advice and perhaps peoples own experiences to help me forwards.
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I was offering you the benefit of my experience. IME separation anxiety is easier to deal with when you have the use of a stable.

Please do not feel the need to reply, it makes no difference to me what you choose to do with your badly behaved horse, although I do feel sorry for the horse.
 
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