Feet not doing so well

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Not the best photos but these are from Tuesday. I did another post but not had much response, so here is the history.

http://phoenixhorse.myfastforum.org/ftopic6387-0-asc-0.php

He's still not sound I decided to lead him out in hand for 2 days but I have stopped now until the vet comes out next Tuesday to x-ray. He still has a pulse in his RF too.

I did take some video and slow-moed it and it appears he is only walking heel first on his LF. I have boots for his front and recently bought Cavallo treks for his hinds but they dont fit!!! He has such awkward feet behind I am struggling to assess what would fit.

Not huge amounts of photos as only took what was necessary but I can get the full works photos too if required.

I have notices that behind, he still has not got much heel, hard frogs or beefy digital cushion. When tied up he seems to shift weight between his two hinds, therefore, I don't think hes comfortable behind and not sure how to improve it.

Im worried about the outcome of his x-rays and just hoping its nothing to serious, I am in two minds whether to keep him barefoot or re-shoe him in front. His feet in front and so different I am not sure how easily it can be corrected.

Any advice, experience would be great?

RF (Lame foot)
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LF
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RH
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LH
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I havent read the history yet but you have a lot of balance issues. X-rays and a good farrier needed. I think there is a lot of improvements can be made with good trimming.

I would be very suspicious of other problems higher up though with those feet the left hind toe dragging would be a concern. The bullnosing of the right hind may indicate a reverse pedal bone rotation. I can see that he wouldnt be comfortable. Good luck with the x-rays and I hope you get some answers.
 
dianchi said:
Id also be tempted to treat frogs for thrush just to rule that out too!

Good luck!
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Hi,

I am treating for thrust atm with Milton. I just don't know whats gone wrong, hes been barefoot behind since last April and in all fairness hasnt ever gotten to the point of being completely comfortable over stones but his feet looked so much better after removing shoes and they have now gone down hill again. He was bullnosed behind in shoes and afte 4 months barefoot they completely straigthen our and they have now gone bullnosed again.

Hes been bare in front since Sept and has been off work until around Jan where I started to pick his work up a bit. Wearing boots in front and has been fine except over stones and rocky areas and now hes gone lame and seems to be quite sore.
 
My mares hind feet go bull nosey now and then, but she has remained sound so if that is the foot she wants she can keep it.

What work are you managing to get his feet to do?
 
Well before he was kicked twice in space of two weeks he was hacking 4 times a week for an hour and schooling 2 days a week. Since being off work he has moved to summer grazing. Now he's lame I can't do anything. I feel he needs hind boots too but I have just bought the new cavallos and they don't fit so need to sell them first! :(
 
I'm not really sure what to suggest OP, are you confident in the trimmer/farrier advise you have on the ground? - They don't really look great, particularly as the hinds have been off a good while now and with the bull nosing still being there is there perhaps something metabolic going on and even where there is an event line on the fronts there doesn't seem to be any change in the angle of growth. I'd maybe send an email to Nic perhaps.
 
charliejet said:
I havent read the history yet but you have a lot of balance issues. X-rays and a good farrier needed. I think there is a lot of improvements can be made with good trimming.

I would be very suspicious of other problems higher up though with those feet the left hind toe dragging would be a concern. The bullnosing of the right hind may indicate a reverse pedal bone rotation. I can see that he wouldnt be comfortable. Good luck with the x-rays and I hope you get some answers.
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Could you explain the balance issues to me? He has had a sacroiliac injection, he may have another yet but that's been put on the back burner since hes become lame.
 
dianchi said:
Id also be tempted to treat frogs for thrush just to rule that out too!

Good luck!
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Also I have used Red Horse sole clense but it doesn't seem to be getting rid of the thrush, I am now using Milton and sudacrem, only started that Monday so not sure if thats helping yet, what else is effective with thrush?
 
This site may help. http://www.thenaturalhoof.co.uk/#!hoof-deformity/cr3g

I understand that some people want the horse to grow the hoof that works for the horse without trimming but that only works imo if the horse is sound and happy on those wonky feet. If the horse is sore I would look at hoof balance to start.

If he has SI probs that is likely to affect his movement / feet. I feel for you as I have been through similar issues. The x-rays will show if the balance is correct so will be really helpful.
 
Those feet are tremendously unbalanced. In the first photo he has one heel longer than the other. The other foot the same. The toes are long on both fronts and with considerable flare. The hinds are very long at the toes. I would shoe to those feet! They need a decent trim first!
 
Then don't shoe. Just get a decent hoofcare specialist who can balance a hoof properly. Whoever did it for you last made a right pigs ear out of it.
 
ktj1891 said:
I never wanted him shod? He's been Barefoot a year behind and 7 months in front.
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A year? WTF? What is going on? Have you asked your trimmer?

I use a trimmer for one horse who is a youngster and do my boy myself with my trimmers supervision. My boy has been unshod since 2009 and my filly has never been shod. My boy has allsorts of funny issues with his legs and shoulders but his hooves are well balanced and my fillys feet are completely symmetrical.

I am baffled by your photos. They look like they have just come out of shoes tbh.
 
This is his feet over 3 months after going barefoot behind- they since seem to have regressed.

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tallyho! said:
Actually, no... they have actually improved... ALOT. Just not balanced in your opening photos.
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This is three months on barefoot behind, but unfortunately they seem to have gone downhill again and Im not sure why, these photos at the time his feet were being trimmed by farrier, I was working him a lot last year too, he competed all summer with no hind shoes, although not completely comfortable over stones, he managed fun rides, xc schooling, sj etc
 
ktj1891 said:
This is three months on barefoot behind, but unfortunately they seem to have gone downhill again and Im not sure why, these photos at the time his feet were being trimmed by farrier, I was working him a lot last year too, he competed all summer with no hind shoes, although not completely comfortable over stones, he managed fun rides, xc schooling, sj etc
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I would definitely be discussing things with your current person! xxx
 
My girl comes back from Rockley tomorrow and if there's one thing I've learnt it's don't touch the flare!!! My girl went to Rockley with feet that looked ok.. Neat etc. I think it's fair to say that her feet don't look as pretty as what they did originally but they balanced to how she needs them! I know from X-ray that the bones in her front right leg aren't completely stacked up correctly but her feet have grown to accommodate that and now she is sound!! Horses take varying lengths of time to improve and diet and movement are the most important factors. If he's not had much exercise due to injury then perhaps that's the issue. Is the grass not bothering him perhaps? If I were you I would be very careful with getting "a good trim" as some people have suggested as I'd be worried about doing more harm then good.
 
There's flare.... And theres flare....

The ops photos show some which don't bother me but corkscrewed feet are not good for anything!
 
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