Shilasdair
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Anyone else's heart in their boots?
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Anyone else's heart in their boots?
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Me? I'm heart-less.
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FFS darned horses!!!!!
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JM07
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As i am on IU..can i say this......
would sombody tell the OP that she is IMO totally incompetant..her previous posts...from the fitting of a pelham upside down to the fiasco of the colt..which is now a poorly gelding..wearing fancy dress on the roads..are nothing short of negligence...
i wish someone...maybe it could be myself, who knows..would report her to the BHS under the new Welfare law...
she, the OP, needs a short, sharp shock in horse management/welfare because she blatently ignores 90% of the advice given on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
would sombody tell the OP that she is IMO totally incompetant..her previous posts...from the fitting of a pelham upside down to the fiasco of the colt..which is now a poorly gelding..wearing fancy dress on the roads..are nothing short of negligence...
i wish someone...maybe it could be myself, who knows..would report her to the BHS under the new Welfare law...
she, the OP, needs a short, sharp shock in horse management/welfare because she blatently ignores 90% of the advice given on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Daphnelia
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I'm not disputing that, but those saying the vet should have been called on sunday, when all that could be seen was a superficial graze, are using the wonderful benefit of hindsight. IF thats all there was to see. Thats all I'm saying
Daisychain
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I would imagine looking at the pictures, he has very bad bruising and inflamation, if it was my horse i would have throughly checked it to see how deep it was and check for joint fluid etc, if i was happy it wasnt really deep or punctured then i would treat it my self by cold hosing and bute to bring the inflamation down, horses are real whimps when it comes to cuts and nicks and sometimes when they are hopping lame it really isnt as serious as it looks. Again i havent seen the cut close up, but if it is fairly superficial then im sure it wont be majorly serious!
BlackDiamond
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Maybe not for a small graze but for the hopping lame pony in the video then hell yes!
Why was a vet not called out at lunchtime when the photos were taken?
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EXACTLY! Im off to bed now too, hope I don't have nightmares now..
Ps she hasnt gone to bed she's still online, so no such conscence issues there!
Maybe not for a small graze but for the hopping lame pony in the video then hell yes!
Why was a vet not called out at lunchtime when the photos were taken?
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EXACTLY! Im off to bed now too, hope I don't have nightmares now..
Ps she hasnt gone to bed she's still online, so no such conscence issues there!
BlackDiamond
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conscience? (sp) late night spelling failiures apologies
Daphnelia
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Of course. Let me make this quite clear - I am NOT defending the no-vet policy of today
. Just.. nit-picking
Anybody can see its in desperate need of a vet now.
Anybody can see its in desperate need of a vet now.
chestnut cob
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I would imagine looking at the pictures, he has very bad bruising and inflamation, if it was my horse i would have throughly checked it to see how deep it was and check for joint fluid etc, if i was happy it wasnt really deep or punctured then i would treat it my self by cold hosing and bute to bring the inflamation down, horses are real whimps when it comes to cuts and nicks and sometimes when they are hopping lame it really isnt as serious as it looks. Again i havent seen the cut close up, but if it is fairly superficial then im sure it wont be majorly serious!
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Possibly but surely if you were only slightly worried, you would at least call your vet directly during the day for a quick chat about it? Well, I would anyway...
I would imagine looking at the pictures, he has very bad bruising and inflamation, if it was my horse i would have throughly checked it to see how deep it was and check for joint fluid etc, if i was happy it wasnt really deep or punctured then i would treat it my self by cold hosing and bute to bring the inflamation down, horses are real whimps when it comes to cuts and nicks and sometimes when they are hopping lame it really isnt as serious as it looks. Again i havent seen the cut close up, but if it is fairly superficial then im sure it wont be majorly serious!
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Possibly but surely if you were only slightly worried, you would at least call your vet directly during the day for a quick chat about it? Well, I would anyway...
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Donkeymad
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She could have gone to call the vet for advice and left herself logged on.
Shilasdair
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I would imagine looking at the pictures, he has very bad bruising and inflamation, if it was my horse i would have throughly checked it to see how deep it was and check for joint fluid etc, if i was happy it wasnt really deep or punctured then i would treat it my self by cold hosing and bute to bring the inflamation down, horses are real whimps when it comes to cuts and nicks and sometimes when they are hopping lame it really isnt as serious as it looks. Again i havent seen the cut close up, but if it is fairly superficial then im sure it wont be majorly serious!
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Possibly but surely if you were only slightly worried, you would at least call your vet directly during the day for a quick chat about it? Well, I would anyway...
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Last time I called my vets for 'a quick chat' it took three weeks and three more phone-calls to them before a vet actually bothered to call me back
I think it's easy to be wise in hindsight...but puncture wounds are notoriously difficult to assess.
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I would imagine looking at the pictures, he has very bad bruising and inflamation, if it was my horse i would have throughly checked it to see how deep it was and check for joint fluid etc, if i was happy it wasnt really deep or punctured then i would treat it my self by cold hosing and bute to bring the inflamation down, horses are real whimps when it comes to cuts and nicks and sometimes when they are hopping lame it really isnt as serious as it looks. Again i havent seen the cut close up, but if it is fairly superficial then im sure it wont be majorly serious!
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Possibly but surely if you were only slightly worried, you would at least call your vet directly during the day for a quick chat about it? Well, I would anyway...
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Last time I called my vets for 'a quick chat' it took three weeks and three more phone-calls to them before a vet actually bothered to call me back
I think it's easy to be wise in hindsight...but puncture wounds are notoriously difficult to assess.
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Daphnelia
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I would too, even though I suspect the vets has my number on caller ID as 'the hyperchondriac'
Daisychain
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Yes agreed, i would have had a chat with vet, last year one of my horses received a deep cut to his stifle which i thought required a stitch, i phoned my vet and explained, she said clean it and leave it, i did, his leg swelled like a balloon and he was hopping for 2/3 days i gave him bute and he was fine!
chestnut cob
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I would imagine looking at the pictures, he has very bad bruising and inflamation, if it was my horse i would have throughly checked it to see how deep it was and check for joint fluid etc, if i was happy it wasnt really deep or punctured then i would treat it my self by cold hosing and bute to bring the inflamation down, horses are real whimps when it comes to cuts and nicks and sometimes when they are hopping lame it really isnt as serious as it looks. Again i havent seen the cut close up, but if it is fairly superficial then im sure it wont be majorly serious!
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Possibly but surely if you were only slightly worried, you would at least call your vet directly during the day for a quick chat about it? Well, I would anyway...
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Last time I called my vets for 'a quick chat' it took three weeks and three more phone-calls to them before a vet actually bothered to call me back
I think it's easy to be wise in hindsight...but puncture wounds are notoriously difficult to assess.
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Must just be your vet S! Vet I used before I moved up here was fab, used to occasionally ring for a quick bit of advice and he would always ring back within an hour or two.
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I would imagine looking at the pictures, he has very bad bruising and inflamation, if it was my horse i would have throughly checked it to see how deep it was and check for joint fluid etc, if i was happy it wasnt really deep or punctured then i would treat it my self by cold hosing and bute to bring the inflamation down, horses are real whimps when it comes to cuts and nicks and sometimes when they are hopping lame it really isnt as serious as it looks. Again i havent seen the cut close up, but if it is fairly superficial then im sure it wont be majorly serious!
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Possibly but surely if you were only slightly worried, you would at least call your vet directly during the day for a quick chat about it? Well, I would anyway...
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Last time I called my vets for 'a quick chat' it took three weeks and three more phone-calls to them before a vet actually bothered to call me back
I think it's easy to be wise in hindsight...but puncture wounds are notoriously difficult to assess.
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Must just be your vet S! Vet I used before I moved up here was fab, used to occasionally ring for a quick bit of advice and he would always ring back within an hour or two.
Patches
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I'm not disputing that, but those saying the vet should have been called on sunday, when all that could be seen was a superficial graze, are using the wonderful benefit of hindsight. IF thats all there was to see. Thats all I'm saying
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To an extent I agree, although a cut near the joint is always more of a concern, lameness of not.
I am concerned with how the horse looks now and when it started. If he wasn't lame on Sunday, but is now, then alarm bells ring ever louder in my mind. It points so strongly towards joint/tendon sheath infection, IMO. Had it been a break the horse would've been this lame from the outset...for example.
If you had a horse with an injury that suddenly became very lame a few days later.....your head should scream "eeeek that's not right". Injuries shouldn't suddenly get significantly worse over a few days and in particular lameness symptoms shouldn't suddenly deteriorate to that degree.
The extent of lameness in itself would have concerned me more than enough to call a vet on it's own merit. More so when combined with the wound.
I'm not disputing that, but those saying the vet should have been called on sunday, when all that could be seen was a superficial graze, are using the wonderful benefit of hindsight. IF thats all there was to see. Thats all I'm saying
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To an extent I agree, although a cut near the joint is always more of a concern, lameness of not.
I am concerned with how the horse looks now and when it started. If he wasn't lame on Sunday, but is now, then alarm bells ring ever louder in my mind. It points so strongly towards joint/tendon sheath infection, IMO. Had it been a break the horse would've been this lame from the outset...for example.
If you had a horse with an injury that suddenly became very lame a few days later.....your head should scream "eeeek that's not right". Injuries shouldn't suddenly get significantly worse over a few days and in particular lameness symptoms shouldn't suddenly deteriorate to that degree.
The extent of lameness in itself would have concerned me more than enough to call a vet on it's own merit. More so when combined with the wound.
Shilasdair
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I'm not disputing that, but those saying the vet should have been called on sunday, when all that could be seen was a superficial graze, are using the wonderful benefit of hindsight. IF thats all there was to see. Thats all I'm saying
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To an extent I agree, although a cut near the joint is always more of a concern, lameness of not.
I am concerned with how the horse looks now and when it started. If he wasn't lame on Sunday, but is now, then alarm bells ring ever louder in my mind. It points so strongly towards joint/tendon sheath infection, IMO. Had it been a break the horse would've been this lame from the outset...for example.
If you had a horse with an injury that suddenly became very lame a few days later.....your head should scream "eeeek that's not right". Injuries shouldn't suddenly get significantly worse over a few days and in particular lameness symptoms shouldn't suddenly deteriorate to that degree.
The extent of lameness in itself would have concerned me more than enough to call a vet on it's own merit. More so when combined with the wound.
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Yes, but each of us only operates within our own knowledge of anatomy and physiology...and how many horse owners actually know all the structures in the horse's leg or elsewhere?
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I'm not disputing that, but those saying the vet should have been called on sunday, when all that could be seen was a superficial graze, are using the wonderful benefit of hindsight. IF thats all there was to see. Thats all I'm saying
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To an extent I agree, although a cut near the joint is always more of a concern, lameness of not.
I am concerned with how the horse looks now and when it started. If he wasn't lame on Sunday, but is now, then alarm bells ring ever louder in my mind. It points so strongly towards joint/tendon sheath infection, IMO. Had it been a break the horse would've been this lame from the outset...for example.
If you had a horse with an injury that suddenly became very lame a few days later.....your head should scream "eeeek that's not right". Injuries shouldn't suddenly get significantly worse over a few days and in particular lameness symptoms shouldn't suddenly deteriorate to that degree.
The extent of lameness in itself would have concerned me more than enough to call a vet on it's own merit. More so when combined with the wound.
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Yes, but each of us only operates within our own knowledge of anatomy and physiology...and how many horse owners actually know all the structures in the horse's leg or elsewhere?
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PapaFrita
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Sophie, can you email your vet and give them a link to the pics and video? It's what I did when PF got off the lorry with a very similar cut on her hock (we're miles out in the middle of nowhere) I think I was very lucky that although it swelled up, she was only very slightly lame, but vet did recommend bute to help reduce the inflamation.
Daphnelia
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She said graze.. not cut. A cut is very different and something I would approach with a much greater degree of caution. A graze (imo) is knocking the top layer of skin off.
Colleen_Miss_Tom
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Folks until a vet has seen the colt I dont think any of us is in a position to say what has happened/ or what injuries it has sustained. I do hope sophie gets the vet out asap x
I have a feeling sophie is reading all this and not wanting to post anymore due to how guilty and upset she is feeling right now, I know nothing can be done to change the situation at this moment and time but all she can do is like I said get her vet out asap to the colt .
Hope the colt is ok and its nothing too serious and recovers x
I have a feeling sophie is reading all this and not wanting to post anymore due to how guilty and upset she is feeling right now, I know nothing can be done to change the situation at this moment and time but all she can do is like I said get her vet out asap to the colt .
Hope the colt is ok and its nothing too serious and recovers x
Daisychain
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Often good old common sense comes in to it, especially if you have been around horses all your life, you dont always need to know all the anatomy etc.
kirstyhen
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Yes, but each of us only operates within our own knowledge of anatomy and physiology...and how many horse owners actually know all the structures in the horse's leg or elsewhere?
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Me, me, me!!!
But I agree, when I first had a horse I as lucky enough to keep him with people ho knew what they were talking about.
A horse with a graze on its knee which has swollen is not unusual, if you had no experiance of the complications you would know how much of a worry it could be.
Sophie didnt say that she didnt want to pay for the vet for someone elses horse.
Yes, but each of us only operates within our own knowledge of anatomy and physiology...and how many horse owners actually know all the structures in the horse's leg or elsewhere?
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Me, me, me!!!
But I agree, when I first had a horse I as lucky enough to keep him with people ho knew what they were talking about.
A horse with a graze on its knee which has swollen is not unusual, if you had no experiance of the complications you would know how much of a worry it could be.
Sophie didnt say that she didnt want to pay for the vet for someone elses horse.
jesterfaerie
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Sophie you say he was sound on sunday when it happened , sore on monday and dog lame today.
Why have you not got the vet out on the basis that it has got a lot worse so quickly and he is obviously in pain, or at least rang up and expressed your concerns about him and asked for advise?
Do you really expect that he soundness that has deteriorated so quickly will just improve and/or disappear over night and he will be ok in the morning?
Please stop making excuses over reason why not to get medical attention to YOUR pony!
Could I please ask what you will do if he ends up recovering and the owners not taking him because of this incident?
Why have you not got the vet out on the basis that it has got a lot worse so quickly and he is obviously in pain, or at least rang up and expressed your concerns about him and asked for advise?
Do you really expect that he soundness that has deteriorated so quickly will just improve and/or disappear over night and he will be ok in the morning?
Please stop making excuses over reason why not to get medical attention to YOUR pony!
Could I please ask what you will do if he ends up recovering and the owners not taking him because of this incident?
itsme123
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I think Sophie has been a little niave in not calling the vet out, but she has said she will in the morning.
Re her getting a taxi to the field, how many people keep cash in the house? i certainally don't! and many taxis don't take cards..
No-one's such an expert in the equestrian world that they know everything. Some know more than others, but we're all stilll learning. What sophie assumed to be a graze she now knows could be worse, but Thank God she posted the pic, because hopefully now there'll be a happy ending.
Maybe some people should take themseves off their pedestals and actually try to help educate others. Throwing insults round just comes across as childish and arrogant. I can understand why Sophie uses the UI button by the responses I've seen to some of her posts recently. As above, no-one is such an expert in these things that it gives them the right to be nasty and throw around personal insults. Taking the michael out of users is more likely to drive them away, when they could quite happily stay here and LEARN.
I think Sophie has been a little niave in not calling the vet out, but she has said she will in the morning.
Re her getting a taxi to the field, how many people keep cash in the house? i certainally don't! and many taxis don't take cards..
No-one's such an expert in the equestrian world that they know everything. Some know more than others, but we're all stilll learning. What sophie assumed to be a graze she now knows could be worse, but Thank God she posted the pic, because hopefully now there'll be a happy ending.
Maybe some people should take themseves off their pedestals and actually try to help educate others. Throwing insults round just comes across as childish and arrogant. I can understand why Sophie uses the UI button by the responses I've seen to some of her posts recently. As above, no-one is such an expert in these things that it gives them the right to be nasty and throw around personal insults. Taking the michael out of users is more likely to drive them away, when they could quite happily stay here and LEARN.
dieseldog
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I think Sophie has been a little niave in not calling the vet out, but she has said she will in the morning.
Re her getting a taxi to the field, how many people keep cash in the house? i certainally don't! and many taxis don't take cards..
No-one's such an expert in the equestrian world that they know everything. Some know more than others, but we're all stilll learning. What sophie assumed to be a graze she now knows could be worse, but Thank God she posted the pic, because hopefully now there'll be a happy ending.
Maybe some people should take themseves off their pedestals and actually try to help educate others. Throwing insults round just comes across as childish and arrogant. I can understand why Sophie uses the UI button by the responses I've seen to some of her posts recently. As above, no-one is such an expert in these things that it gives them the right to be nasty and throw around personal insults. Taking the michael out of users is more likely to drive them away, when they could quite happily stay here and LEARN.
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Oh Katy I really think you should get of your high horse. I've just read the post and I'm struggling to see where anyone has insulted her or how you can defend her.
As to being an expert and therefore only able to give advice you have no idea who the other posters are. It is a shame that you are happy to watch videos of neglect and then get all miffy when people give her the very good advice of calling the Vet.
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I think Sophie has been a little niave in not calling the vet out, but she has said she will in the morning.
Re her getting a taxi to the field, how many people keep cash in the house? i certainally don't! and many taxis don't take cards..
No-one's such an expert in the equestrian world that they know everything. Some know more than others, but we're all stilll learning. What sophie assumed to be a graze she now knows could be worse, but Thank God she posted the pic, because hopefully now there'll be a happy ending.
Maybe some people should take themseves off their pedestals and actually try to help educate others. Throwing insults round just comes across as childish and arrogant. I can understand why Sophie uses the UI button by the responses I've seen to some of her posts recently. As above, no-one is such an expert in these things that it gives them the right to be nasty and throw around personal insults. Taking the michael out of users is more likely to drive them away, when they could quite happily stay here and LEARN.
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Oh Katy I really think you should get of your high horse. I've just read the post and I'm struggling to see where anyone has insulted her or how you can defend her.
As to being an expert and therefore only able to give advice you have no idea who the other posters are. It is a shame that you are happy to watch videos of neglect and then get all miffy when people give her the very good advice of calling the Vet.
JM07
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I think Sophie has been a little niave in not calling the vet out, but she has said she will in the morning.
Re her getting a taxi to the field, how many people keep cash in the house? i certainally don't! and many taxis don't take cards..
No-one's such an expert in the equestrian world that they know everything. Some know more than others, but we're all stilll learning. What sophie assumed to be a graze she now knows could be worse, but Thank God she posted the pic, because hopefully now there'll be a happy ending.
Maybe some people should take themseves off their pedestals and actually try to help educate others. Throwing insults round just comes across as childish and arrogant. I can understand why Sophie uses the UI button by the responses I've seen to some of her posts recently. As above, no-one is such an expert in these things that it gives them the right to be nasty and throw around personal insults. Taking the michael out of users is more likely to drive them away, when they could quite happily stay here and LEARN.
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that'll be me then...AGAIN....
I stand by EVERYTHING i've said...
it beggers belief that people can spend 20-30 minutes photographing/videoing a VERY lame youngster, with a mind-set of posting on HHO rather than calling a Vet???
of course katy, that is exactly what we'd all do!!!
in her first post it was mentioned that "the OTHER one" was a graze....so to my mind the pony has more than one cut...
as for the OP actually learning...who knows...
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I think Sophie has been a little niave in not calling the vet out, but she has said she will in the morning.
Re her getting a taxi to the field, how many people keep cash in the house? i certainally don't! and many taxis don't take cards..
No-one's such an expert in the equestrian world that they know everything. Some know more than others, but we're all stilll learning. What sophie assumed to be a graze she now knows could be worse, but Thank God she posted the pic, because hopefully now there'll be a happy ending.
Maybe some people should take themseves off their pedestals and actually try to help educate others. Throwing insults round just comes across as childish and arrogant. I can understand why Sophie uses the UI button by the responses I've seen to some of her posts recently. As above, no-one is such an expert in these things that it gives them the right to be nasty and throw around personal insults. Taking the michael out of users is more likely to drive them away, when they could quite happily stay here and LEARN.
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that'll be me then...AGAIN....
I stand by EVERYTHING i've said...
it beggers belief that people can spend 20-30 minutes photographing/videoing a VERY lame youngster, with a mind-set of posting on HHO rather than calling a Vet???
of course katy, that is exactly what we'd all do!!!
in her first post it was mentioned that "the OTHER one" was a graze....so to my mind the pony has more than one cut...
as for the OP actually learning...who knows...
BBs
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Totally speachless.
I do hope the vet is on his/her way as I type!
Im disguested this pony wasnt seen earlier.
I do hope the vet is on his/her way as I type!
Im disguested this pony wasnt seen earlier.
Honeypots
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I can't see any pictures...
SmokingBabe
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me neither. Going by the general response I sincerely hope the vet is attending the pony now
Daisychain
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I personally think this has all blown way out of proportion, yes the horse is very lame, BUT they often are when an injury like this happens, it has happened to mine on numerous occasions, she has stated it is a graze, i would say it looks like a graze with severe bruising which has made him hopping. Its not like she hasent tried to treat him, he just probably needs a few bute.
vennessa
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I couldn't see any either. Anyone know if vet has been called, how the pony is?
Honeypots
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I'd be surprised if she bothers to update us tbh after all this...