Onyxia
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http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/290530.html
I am going with "good,about time it was seen as cruelty".
I am going with "good,about time it was seen as cruelty".
"First cruelty case linked to obese horse goes to court"
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BigRed
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I think that the reality is, they were taken to court because they had a crippled pony with badly over grown feet, they also had a very fat pony. If they had ONLY had a fat pony I doubt very much they would have bothered with the prosecution.
Last time I went to HOYS I was apalled by how fat the cobs and heavy weight hunters were - they were as fat as that shetland any day.
Last time I went to HOYS I was apalled by how fat the cobs and heavy weight hunters were - they were as fat as that shetland any day.
Onyxia
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Oh I agree the fat pony was secondery reason to charge them,but the fact they have been charged and convicted is a step in the right direction.
I think in the last few years our perception of "normal" has changed drasticly.
Many people who are thought of as a bit overweight are in fact clinicly obesse but at least they choose to be.
Our animals are our responsability,and the trend for FAT show ring horses and ponies has got to be comming to an end if owners start to worry about cruelty charges more then their chances of a ribbon.
I think in the last few years our perception of "normal" has changed drasticly.
Many people who are thought of as a bit overweight are in fact clinicly obesse but at least they choose to be.
Our animals are our responsability,and the trend for FAT show ring horses and ponies has got to be comming to an end if owners start to worry about cruelty charges more then their chances of a ribbon.
skewbald_again
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My cob was put down the line this year as 'not enough fat on him' - he was an absolute tub of lard, fresh off the field, only went out as daughter had nothing else to ride, I was a bit worried I'd be shot for him being too fat, but no, not fat enough, apparently!!!
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Donkeymad
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Secondary reason or not, it is high time that something was done, so not before time, IMO.
Happy Horse
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I wonder if there is more to this case as well as the cruelty. I can't see a curfew being issued for overfeeding ponies.
Toast
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God this makes me SO mad. I hate going to shows and seeing clearly obese animals placed. Its disgusting.
I feel someone who deliberately keeps their horse overweight for the sake of showing, is equally as cruel as someone whos horse is underweight through neglect.
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I feel someone who deliberately keeps their horse overweight for the sake of showing, is equally as cruel as someone whos horse is underweight through neglect.
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Flicker
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Girl on our yard was put down the line on her lovely hunter in the Show Hunter class at one show in the summer. Judge's comment to her was that he was 'hunting weight not showing weight'. Well, derr, he's competing in a hunter class...
It saddens me though. We've got a mum and daughter on our yard with a cracking cob - could turn his hand to anything. Despite being shared by mum and daughter, he is so fat they can hardly get him into canter, sweats buckets on hacks, never gets clipped and puffs round the school in lessons. The horse is never away from a hay net: they bring him in off a field full of grass and tie him up with a mammoth haylege net while they do the box / groom him / whatever. Then he goes in to his tea and two more haylege nets. Their instructor has been telling them for months that he's too overweight, but it's like they don't see it - daughter says 'I think he's a healthy weight for his size' and mum just looks blank. Got to the stage where instructor is considering ditching them as pupils but doesn't want to for the sake of the horse (at least this way she can keep an eye on him). And yet, you couldn't report them for anything because that horse has the best of everything - except a bit of work. I threatened to give him a full cob clip the other day and I nearly got lynched!!
It saddens me though. We've got a mum and daughter on our yard with a cracking cob - could turn his hand to anything. Despite being shared by mum and daughter, he is so fat they can hardly get him into canter, sweats buckets on hacks, never gets clipped and puffs round the school in lessons. The horse is never away from a hay net: they bring him in off a field full of grass and tie him up with a mammoth haylege net while they do the box / groom him / whatever. Then he goes in to his tea and two more haylege nets. Their instructor has been telling them for months that he's too overweight, but it's like they don't see it - daughter says 'I think he's a healthy weight for his size' and mum just looks blank. Got to the stage where instructor is considering ditching them as pupils but doesn't want to for the sake of the horse (at least this way she can keep an eye on him). And yet, you couldn't report them for anything because that horse has the best of everything - except a bit of work. I threatened to give him a full cob clip the other day and I nearly got lynched!!
horseart
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On the yard where we keep our horse there was a shetland pony on a laminitis diet of hay only. He started to deteriorate and it wasnt until my daughter found the owner of another horse on the yard giving him grass nuts and alfa a because she felt "sorry for him" that the cause became clear!
Even worse - this girl is 18 months into an equine management degree course at one of our better known equestrian colleges and she wants to run her own yard!
Even worse - this girl is 18 months into an equine management degree course at one of our better known equestrian colleges and she wants to run her own yard!
Flicker
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Wonder how sorry she'd feel for him when his pedal bones rotated and dropped through the soles of his feet...
My boy is laminitic and if I caught someone feeding him on that I would go off like a bucket of water on a chip pan fire...
My boy is laminitic and if I caught someone feeding him on that I would go off like a bucket of water on a chip pan fire...
Onyxia
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Girl on our yard was put down the line on her lovely hunter in the Show Hunter class at one show in the summer. Judge's comment to her was that he was 'hunting weight not showing weight'. Well, derr, he's competing in a hunter class...
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And I think thats where it starts.
People look at the big winners/ones gettign pulled in first at local level and aspire to it.
Some will do anything to win,others will really belive that the horses winning are what their horse should look like
If we set an example in the showing world hopefully the effect will filter down...
Girl on our yard was put down the line on her lovely hunter in the Show Hunter class at one show in the summer. Judge's comment to her was that he was 'hunting weight not showing weight'. Well, derr, he's competing in a hunter class...
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And I think thats where it starts.
People look at the big winners/ones gettign pulled in first at local level and aspire to it.
Some will do anything to win,others will really belive that the horses winning are what their horse should look like
If we set an example in the showing world hopefully the effect will filter down...
Murphy88
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Girl on our yard was put down the line on her lovely hunter in the Show Hunter class at one show in the summer. Judge's comment to her was that he was 'hunting weight not showing weight'. Well, derr, he's competing in a hunter class...
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This is exactly why I don't do showing! I'd love to start doing working hunter at mt local RC shows, even if it meant getting up a bit earlier to plait. Murph has hunted all his life, and while he hasn't been hunting for a few years with me, I compete him SJ all summer and try to keep him as slim and fit as possible - but I could just see us being placed behind some fat cob that would proably have a heart attack out hunting, and I'm sure I'd end up arguing with the judge if that happened
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Girl on our yard was put down the line on her lovely hunter in the Show Hunter class at one show in the summer. Judge's comment to her was that he was 'hunting weight not showing weight'. Well, derr, he's competing in a hunter class...
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This is exactly why I don't do showing! I'd love to start doing working hunter at mt local RC shows, even if it meant getting up a bit earlier to plait. Murph has hunted all his life, and while he hasn't been hunting for a few years with me, I compete him SJ all summer and try to keep him as slim and fit as possible - but I could just see us being placed behind some fat cob that would proably have a heart attack out hunting, and I'm sure I'd end up arguing with the judge if that happened
MandyMoo
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I think that the reality is, they were taken to court because they had a crippled pony with badly over grown feet, they also had a very fat pony. If they had ONLY had a fat pony I doubt very much they would have bothered with the prosecution.
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i agree really.
but it is such a shame that some poor horses get mistreated
really makes me angry
definitley glad those people got prosecuted, it is what they deserved xx
I think that the reality is, they were taken to court because they had a crippled pony with badly over grown feet, they also had a very fat pony. If they had ONLY had a fat pony I doubt very much they would have bothered with the prosecution.
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i agree really.
but it is such a shame that some poor horses get mistreated
definitley glad those people got prosecuted, it is what they deserved xx
Janette
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Girl on our yard was put down the line on her lovely hunter in the Show Hunter class at one show in the summer. Judge's comment to her was that he was 'hunting weight not showing weight'. Well, derr, he's competing in a hunter class...
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This is exactly why I don't do showing! I'd love to start doing working hunter at mt local RC shows, even if it meant getting up a bit earlier to plait. Murph has hunted all his life, and while he hasn't been hunting for a few years with me, I compete him SJ all summer and try to keep him as slim and fit as possible - but I could just see us being placed behind some fat cob that would proably have a heart attack out hunting, and I'm sure I'd end up arguing with the judge if that happened !
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I think showing people SHOULD aspire to the top level competitors, and how they turn their horses out.
Look at the recent HOYs champions, The Philanderer (Supreme Horse....), Finn McCool (Champion LW Hunter), The Humdinger (champion coloured (got 100% conformation marks) to name but the first 3 I could think of... None of them were fat. Well conditioned, well turned out horses.
Why do local level judges consider a good show horse should be fat when these are at the top of their game? Admittedly, they might not be hunting fit, but how many horses in the general horse population are?
Perhaps the local level judges should have a look as well.
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Girl on our yard was put down the line on her lovely hunter in the Show Hunter class at one show in the summer. Judge's comment to her was that he was 'hunting weight not showing weight'. Well, derr, he's competing in a hunter class...
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This is exactly why I don't do showing! I'd love to start doing working hunter at mt local RC shows, even if it meant getting up a bit earlier to plait. Murph has hunted all his life, and while he hasn't been hunting for a few years with me, I compete him SJ all summer and try to keep him as slim and fit as possible - but I could just see us being placed behind some fat cob that would proably have a heart attack out hunting, and I'm sure I'd end up arguing with the judge if that happened !
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I think showing people SHOULD aspire to the top level competitors, and how they turn their horses out.
Look at the recent HOYs champions, The Philanderer (Supreme Horse....), Finn McCool (Champion LW Hunter), The Humdinger (champion coloured (got 100% conformation marks) to name but the first 3 I could think of... None of them were fat. Well conditioned, well turned out horses.
Why do local level judges consider a good show horse should be fat when these are at the top of their game? Admittedly, they might not be hunting fit, but how many horses in the general horse population are?
Perhaps the local level judges should have a look as well.
brighteyes
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<font color="blue"> None of them were fat. </font>
Really? I'm sorry but the showjumpers were in wonderul, fit condition and not carrying a fraction of the weight the show horses were. Not obese, I grant you, but overweight most certainly.
They should aspire to the showjumpers or hunt horses mid-way through the season. Horses are not beef cattle and I have no idea why people can't get that into their heads.
The show ponies were, almost without exception, a disgrace.
Really? I'm sorry but the showjumpers were in wonderul, fit condition and not carrying a fraction of the weight the show horses were. Not obese, I grant you, but overweight most certainly.
They should aspire to the showjumpers or hunt horses mid-way through the season. Horses are not beef cattle and I have no idea why people can't get that into their heads.
The show ponies were, almost without exception, a disgrace.
sjmcc
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God this makes me SO mad. I hate going to shows and seeing clearly obese animals placed. Its disgusting.
I feel someone who deliberately keeps their horse overweight for the sake of showing, is equally as cruel as someone whos horse is underweight through neglect.
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[/ QUOTE ] i totaly agree iv seen them being rode n theyr panting going around the ring i seen a cob class once and the rider was huge and the cob was so fat it was sad to watch i was so glad she got no were it realy makes me mad to see this i have a show cob n he looks fab full of muscle n fit and he looks n stands up against the best and looks good
God this makes me SO mad. I hate going to shows and seeing clearly obese animals placed. Its disgusting.
I feel someone who deliberately keeps their horse overweight for the sake of showing, is equally as cruel as someone whos horse is underweight through neglect.
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[/ QUOTE ] i totaly agree iv seen them being rode n theyr panting going around the ring i seen a cob class once and the rider was huge and the cob was so fat it was sad to watch i was so glad she got no were it realy makes me mad to see this i have a show cob n he looks fab full of muscle n fit and he looks n stands up against the best and looks good
sjmcc
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gpgirl
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The newspaper fails to report the truth. The truth being that the shetland stallion was in a large field covering approx 22 mares. He was running around enjoying his-self when he was taken away. Ok like most shetland ponies he was overweight. Now he lives in a box, occasionally going out into a yard for exercise. OK he is thinner but probably not as happy as he used to be. He is now in jail.
Now who's cruel?
Spudlet
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The newspaper fails to report the truth. The truth being that the shetland stallion was in a large field covering approx 22 mares. He was running around enjoying his-self when he was taken away. Ok like most shetland ponies he was overweight. Now he lives in a box, occasionally going out into a yard for exercise. OK he is thinner but probably not as happy as he used to be. He is now in jail.
Now who's cruel?
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PMSL - yep just what we need, indiscriminate breeding! And a little overweight? Get real, he was gross!
I notice you don't mention the fact that the mare taken with him had to be euthanised as a result of the neglect she suffered...
The newspaper fails to report the truth. The truth being that the shetland stallion was in a large field covering approx 22 mares. He was running around enjoying his-self when he was taken away. Ok like most shetland ponies he was overweight. Now he lives in a box, occasionally going out into a yard for exercise. OK he is thinner but probably not as happy as he used to be. He is now in jail.
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PMSL - yep just what we need, indiscriminate breeding! And a little overweight? Get real, he was gross!
I notice you don't mention the fact that the mare taken with him had to be euthanised as a result of the neglect she suffered...