First-time Labrador owner

Having trained dogs for 40 years (for obedience) there is loads you can do in the house to train a dog before it does anything outside. Down, sit, stand, stop, find, etc., etc. And if you ignore the barking outside, your own pup will eventually ignore them......hopefully. Won't upset the pup, but obviously the pup will be aware of them. Could you chuck some treats over the fence to keep them occupied, or would that upset your neighbour?

I personally do not vaccinate my dogs at all. Please, please look into vaccines and their side-effects. If you want to vaccinate, do just the DHP at about 14 weeks of age......this will last a lifetime. Please do no use Lepto....it is killing dogs, or leaving them with kidney problems, severe fitting, death. :(
 
Moobli said:
Are you getting confused with hip scores maybe? In my breed (GSDs) almost all breeding dogs have 0 elbows. My own included.
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No, I used to own GSD's.....many years ago now, but elbow scoring was not common then. Are you saying that a 0 score is common in a lab for elbows? Thanks for any info on that.....I honestly would not have thought that a, say, 1/1 score would be a problem?
 
Levrier said:
As you have suggested to another user on another thread, why should we do your donkey work for you? The info is all there on the KC website 😊😊

“Join the group yourself, I’m not your lacky” (sic)
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Don't worry.....I back up all info with my own research. Thanks for the awesome reply. ;)
 
dree said:
I think you'll find that a score of 1 is excellent, and that very few will have zero scores. A score of 1 wouldn't bother me at all......I'd be delighted with it.
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No it's not excellent and plenty of dogs have 0:0 elbows, including GSDs, hence the recommendation from KC/BVA on breeding on or under the median score.
 
dree said:
I've checked the figures, thanks. In answer to your question, because you seemed to have the answer at your fingertips, but no matter.....all sorted. :)
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That’s a very trite and glib reply which actually illustrates that you are purely trolling on this thread 😊 I offered no answer whatsoever.... duly reported
 
dree said:
Having trained dogs for 40 years (for obedience) there is loads you can do in the house to train a dog before it does anything outside. Down, sit, stand, stop, find, etc., etc. And if you ignore the barking outside, your own pup will eventually ignore them......hopefully. Won't upset the pup, but obviously the pup will be aware of them. Could you chuck some treats over the fence to keep them occupied, or would that upset your neighbour?

I personally do not vaccinate my dogs at all. Please, please look into vaccines and their side-effects. If you want to vaccinate, do just the DHP at about 14 weeks of age......this will last a lifetime. Please do no use Lepto....it is killing dogs, or leaving them with kidney problems, severe fitting, death. :(
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I think that it would upset the neighbour, we do not have a great relationship with them tbh and any mention of their dogs would make it worse, if I can train my puppy to ignore them thats more than enough for me

I will be vaccinated my puppy though, it would have its first vaccination anyway and it would feel like a huge risk to myself to not vaccinate them, obviously you do not but you have a lot more experience than myself to know what to do for an unvaccinated dog
 
Sukhpreet Aujla said:
Yes I will be, I appreciate that it might work for them to not vaccinate their dog and that isn't something I can give an opinion
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As I said, if you want to vaccinate, give DHP only at 14 weeks, but avoid the Lepto jab. Lepto is rare in this country, and there are more horrendous side-effects than there are cases of Lepto. Look it up.....seriously....it is a dangerous vaccine.
 
dree said:
As I said, if you want to vaccinate, give DHP only at 14 weeks, but avoid the Lepto jab. Lepto is rare in this country, and there are more horrendous side-effects than there are cases of Lepto. Look it up.....seriously....it is a dangerous vaccine.
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Please don’t spread such total misinformation on social media 😳 I live in Gloucestershire and we have numerous recorded cases of lepto in dogs every year (cannot speak for other geographical areas of the country obviously) so I would be spectacularly negligent as a dog owner not to vaccinate my 5 dogs against Lepto....
 
Levrier said:
That’s a very trite and glib reply which actually illustrates that you are purely trolling on this thread 😊 I offered no answer whatsoever.... duly reported
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I am not trolling!! I simply answered your question! Blimey, you get slated for not answering and then, when you do answer, you are accured of trolling!! I would suggest that you're the troll, since you appear wherever I am.
 
dree said:
I am not trolling!! I simply answered your question! Blimey, you get slated for not answering and then, when you do answer, you are accured of trolling!! I would suggest that you're the troll, since you appear wherever I am.
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Well I’ve been a member of the forum since 2004.... you’ve been a member since Sunday..... go figure.....
 
Levrier said:
Please don’t spread such total misinformation on social media 😳 I live in Gloucestershire and we have numerous recorded cases of lepto in dogs every year (cannot speak for other geographical areas of the country obviously) so I would be spectacularly negligent as a dog owner not to vaccinate my 5 dogs against Lepto....
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It is not misinformation at all. I have studied vaccines for years. If you go to the Lepto site, where the owner is gathering information to sue the manufacturers, you would then see the horrendous deaths that are occuring due to the Lepto jab. Lepto jab only lasts a few months anyway, so is a waste of time and a huge risk to take. Also, as the manufacturers point out themselves, the jab does not stop the dog getting Lepto, just allows it to get a "lesser" version of it....whatever that is. I am being deadly serious here. The risks from Lepto (particularly L4) are immense.
 
dree said:
What does it matter how long you've been a member for?
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Oh dear..... since you clearly need me to, I’ll spell it out for you.... there are large numbers of forum users who know very well that I’m not a troll. There are an increasing number of forum users who think you are a troll due to your repeated offensive/argumentative/confrontational posts.

I guess you’ll go the same way as the rest and get banned....
 
I have been reading a lot of conflicting information about the elbow score of 1 and whether its a problem. Some places including the KC website say 1 is okay, but others are adamant that anything above 0 is a problem. Its very clear a elbow score of 2 or 3 is definitely not right but 1 appears to be somewhat uncertain?
 
Clodagh said:
If you look back through both parents pedigrees you can look up every elbow score that has been recorded with the KC. It is a long and boring job but I did it for my latest. Her grandfather on one side had a 1 for elbows but I decided to go with it as I like everything else about her breeding. Only time will tell me if that is a gamble I shouldn't have taken.
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The pedigree of the sire isn't available as he was imported from Poland, but for the mother its 0 for elbow all the through her lines
 
OP, I don't know enough about dogs to offer any advice myself but I wanted to post to say it's really nice to come across someone who is doing their research and preparation before making the commitment of taking a dog on.
(This isn't supposed to be patronising either, I hope it doesn't come across that way, it's just from experience seeing too many people taking on pets then thinking about it after when by that point it's a bit late as the pet is already home!)
 
Even if he was from Poland, he should have an export pedigree. But it's likely his ancestors will have had their health tests done under FCI which has a slightly different grading system.

It's up to you...for many people it's not a deal breaker but if you were thinking of anything high impact involving jumping etc, I would certainly give it a lot of thought.
 
chaps89 said:
OP, I don't know enough about dogs to offer any advice myself but I wanted to post to say it's really nice to come across someone who is doing their research and preparation before making the commitment of taking a dog on.
(This isn't supposed to be patronising either, I hope it doesn't come across that way, it's just from experience seeing too many people taking on pets then thinking about it after when by that point it's a bit late as the pet is already home!)
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It doesn't come across as patronising at all, I have to be able to accept my own ignorance when it comes to dog because I've never had one, the more people I can talk too about them the better, the vast majority of people on here have been very helpful, I've got several books as well which aids the process
 
CorvusCorax said:
Even if he was from Poland, he should have an export pedigree. But it's likely his ancestors will have had their health tests done under FCI which has a slightly different grading system.

It's up to you...for many people it's not a deal breaker but if you were thinking of anything high impact involving jumping etc, I would certainly give it a lot of thought.
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Not really planning on anything involving extensive jumping, thats why I am going down the show labrador route, jumping and other high impact activities are probably more suited to working Labs?
 
CorvusCorax said:
Even if he was from Poland, he should have an export pedigree. But it's likely his ancestors will have had their health tests done under FCI which has a slightly different grading system.

It's up to you...for many people it's not a deal breaker but if you were thinking of anything high impact involving jumping etc, I would certainly give it a lot of thought.
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On their website it lists the pedigree line but I cannot click on their names to see their health scores (I can for the mother) I have emailed the breeder about the elbow score anyway it seems foolish not too
 
Goldenstar said:
OP go to the kennel club website and find the list of breeders in your area with litters of puppies .
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I have done that, but there are only 3 Assured Breeders in my area (West Midlands) and none of them having any litters matching what I'm looking for sadly
 
Goldenstar said:
Well wait it’s the best chance you have of getting a good puppy and backup from an experienced breeder .
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It's really not. THe KC assured breeders scheme is quality toilet papaer, that's about it.
OP - Champdogs is a good site, and tends to have more show than working.
Also, if you google labrador stud dogs and go through the images for show ones and follow the links you can contact the owners direct, they will know of litters their dog has sired.
 
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