Foal passporting -Colour advice please

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Our latest foal out of a Grey Appaloosa coloured Hanovarian X TB X, by a Bay Tobiano KWPN X TB stallion has been confirmed today as not having the grey gene-homozygous recessive-dam has one copy of the grey gene so has 50% chance of passing it on to offspring which she has in her previous 2 foals- both of these were born bay tobiano and were passported as bay(grey) tobiano. As you can see from the photo above, the pattern on this colt is a bit more interesting than a simple tobiano, as we also have the snowflake effect on his rump- so my question is; is he bay tobiano, bay appiano (mares sire was grey appiano), or bay pintaloosa? Any advice would be much appreciated.
 
What options do you have with the registry? Or just passport so whatever you like? He is bay tobiano with LP - so the blanket will likely become varnish over his body if he doesn't go grey (hard t tell in this pic, any newborn photos)

I don't really like the joining together of terms like you suggest, they don't really mean much except sound fun- I think the two you mention would essentially mean the same thing?!
 
How cute.... congratulations!

I would put "Bay tobiano with white blanket"...

...if he changes then you can update passport.

Our spot bred filly was born plain dark brown with characteristics, passported as "brown" (PB Trakehner with the TBF) ... but is 2 years now and is brown with darker 'shadow spots' over her body - I suspect she will slowly roan out and leave the apparent spots behind... at what rate I haven't a clue.

May have to update her passport 'colour' ...!?! The joys of a spotty!
 
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At three days-no newborn photos unfortunately.
Agree about the appiano/pintaloosa terms but 1. Grandad was termed appiano and 2. Pintaloosa was an option on the animal genetics colour calculator so assumed that he would be one or the other! He will not grey as he has been tested and unlike his 2 yo half brother
( -photo below and born a similar,but solid colour) he is recessive.
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Yes Pintaloosa is a term, but is meant to describe any Paint horse (Pinto) x Appaloosa ... so I suppose an American term? I guess it isn't incorrect as such, but it's maybe a personal preference thing.

Appiano is a word to describe any horse (any type) that displays both coloured markings and spotted markings. Yes, that is still correct, but doesn't actually describe the colour in a helpful way?

It's a minefield isn't it! I'm still not sure what colour term describes ours, other than dark brown with shadow spots?
 
Ps. The half brother is rather handsome too isn't he!!

You should have bred a bay, or chestnut... simple!
 
Ah sorry I read it that the stallion had been tested not grey not the foal :D

I guess the advantage of appiano (and such other nonsense, though I have warmed to dunalino ;) ) is that it doesn't matter that the pattern associated with the spotty gene will change. I wonder if that is a regional thing, pintaloosa seems to get used on more american skewed forums but I've never seen them use appiano. Though the BSP page now says this 'We also inherited an Appiano Register and have created a pintaloosa register for these animals; this is another Supplementary Appendix, these animals are not registered as British Spotted Ponies. Any skewbald or piebald/spotted crosses will be on this register even if they do not exhibit pintaloosa characteristics.'. So they obviously decided they preferred pintaloosa as a term :D
 
It's interesting ... the whole actual colour vs genetic colour vs breed vs type thing. Some of the terms used are very interchangeable.
 
I have to say I think of the term 'pintaloosa' in the same way as I think of 'labradoodle' and 'cockerpoo.' Mere invention meaning nothing. But that's just me. :) I'd also go for 'bay tobiano with white blanket'. I'd wait until he totally de-fluffs and you get a true idea of what lies beneath, although with the spotty gene he might still change further. Any other appy characteristics?
 
no, none- hooves are all white, no white sclera, thick mane and tail, the de fluff colour is very dark brown on the bay bits- although bottom still fluffy. Totally agree about the pintaloosa term- very twee. Too right about the changing appy though- according to the breeder his Mum was born Bay blanket spot! She is 13 now and each year has a couple more black or bay spots appear- she was white with one real spot (the back skin spots only showing when wet or sweaty) when we got her at 8 yo.
 
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Our latest foal out of a Grey Appaloosa coloured Hanovarian X TB X, by a Bay Tobiano KWPN X TB stallion has been confirmed today as not having the grey gene-homozygous recessive-dam has one copy of the grey gene so has 50% chance of passing it on to offspring which she has in her previous 2 foals- both of these were born bay tobiano and were passported as bay(grey) tobiano. As you can see from the photo above, the pattern on this colt is a bit more interesting than a simple tobiano, as we also have the snowflake effect on his rump- so my question is; is he bay tobiano, bay appiano (mares sire was grey appiano), or bay pintaloosa? Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Hes lovely. He looks like he has spots in that blanket. I would put bay tobiano with spotted blanket. I recently had a mare here to cover who was piebald and had a spotted blanket on her bottom, black spots (colour in her passport was piebald with spotted blanket), her daughter also came and she looked white with a few spots but was actually born a bay tobiano then varnished out totally but developed a few spots where her bay patches had been.
 
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