Foaling - pain relief

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If you are talking about paste s like sedazine, I don't think they have that high a dose of acp in (don't know never used them) I am talking about ACP tablets and liquid for injections.

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That's very interesting! When H was a young foal, he tried his damndest to go into ballerina syndroime on me - overnight!! Bloody WB's!!! He's only 3/8ths but it was enough! I had to restrict his exercise and was to only turn them out for an hour in the evenings - thing is, the ground was rock hard at the time. I asked the vet (specialist horse vet) about ACP/sedalin so that they didn't hoon around. He said to give H sedalin and B ACP - he was there, but he never listened to either of their hearts!

 

[springfallstud]

Phewwww found it lol

http://www.dpca.org/BreedEd/redraspberry.htm

 

[Fahrenheit]

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He said to give H sedalin and B ACP - he was there, but he never listened to either of their hearts!

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Thats very naughty of them really because all the vets I have ever used have always said the same about ACP and checking the heart. You should ask your vet say you heard that a horse should always have its heart checked before adminstering ACP and see what they say!

 

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He said to give H sedalin and B ACP - he was there, but he never listened to either of their hearts!

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Thats very naughty of them really because all the vets I have ever used have always said the same about ACP and checking the heart. You should ask your vet say you heard that a horse should always have its heart checked before adminstering ACP and see what they say!

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I've since moved - it wasn't a newmarket vet! Was down in the south west

 

[judymoon]

I worked on studs in the states for 5 years they routinely give Banamine after foaling as prevention. Its not a drug used over here and i think its nearest comparison here is fairly weak. But i certainly think it eliminated post foaling colics brought on by cramps.

 

[pocomoto]

I regularly use a homeopathic who is also an eminent qualified veterinary surgeon and a member of the growing body the British Association of Homeopathic Veterinary Surgeons.

The results have been impressive and my horses cant spell placebo let alone understand it! Have you ever tried it before condemning it as Boll*cks? The animals I have had treated have NEVER been left suffering.

Having been left confined to walking with a stick and heading for a wheelchair by the medical establishment I sought my own solution out of desperation so I have a very open mind since after acupuncture and chiropractic treatment I am walking and riding again!

For those with an open mind seeking an alternative to filling their newly foaled mares with unsupervised veterinary medicines, when they have no experience of using them, a good place to start would be reading Horses and Homoeopathy A Guide for Yard and Stable by Mark Elliott Mark Elliott BVSc VetMFHom MRCVS MIPsiMed PCH DSH RSHom. There is a section on foaling.

As a caution I might add for the novice that all sedatives affect the foal via the mares milk so be very careful what you administer without direct veterinary advice.

I always speak to the Vet on call when I know my mares are imminent so that they have my address all the animals history and a map to hand speeding up any response.

 

[AndyPandy]

What problems have they had, and what remedies have you given them?

 

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I worked on studs in the states for 5 years they routinely give Banamine after foaling as prevention. Its not a drug used over here and i think its nearest comparison here is fairly weak. But i certainly think it eliminated post foaling colics brought on by cramps.

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Yes, we used to give 10cc's of Banamine as standard procedure post foaling, where I was in Kentucky. I've been told that Finadyne (sp?) over here is the closest.

 

[AndyPandy]

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I regularly use a homeopathic who is also an eminent qualified veterinary surgeon and a member of the growing body the British Association of Homeopathic Veterinary Surgeons.

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This means nothing. He is a qualified veterinary surgeon. He is also pro tail docking... does that mean that tail docking is correct? I'm afraid that being a vet doesn't make all your treatment decisions correct.

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The results have been impressive and my horses cant spell placebo let alone understand it!

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Of course not, but you are human, and can suffer from the placebo effect. The placebo effect can create changes in the patient (human) or the people around the patient; whoever believes in the treatment. So, in this case you believe it works, your demeanour is better, perhaps, subconsciously changed your behaviour - perhaps you have felt more confident to turn them out, or felt the need to be more careful in the way you feed or treat the animal in other ways... who knows. It's certainly not the remedy making any difference.

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Have you ever tried it before condemning it as Boll*cks?

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Yes. I had a crippling disc degeneration problem in my lower back due to a sports injury. I was unable to walk/move properly for weeks. I tried everything I could - including homeopathic remedies. They didn't work. I was "praying" that something would work (and I don't do "praying"). Eventually, physiotherapy, core exercise, and proven nutritional supplements helped me recover and return to competitive sport.

I have also tried homeopathic remedies for other, more minor things - no effect whatsoever.

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The animals I have had treated have NEVER been left suffering.

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In which case I assume that the problems were not terminal or chronic. So, they may well have been transient problems which would have cleared up on their own?

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Having been left confined to walking with a stick and heading for a wheelchair by the medical establishment I sought my own solution out of desperation so I have a very open mind since after acupuncture and chiropractic treatment I am walking and riding again!

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Well, acupuncture and chiropractic treatment are not part of the same school as homeopathy. They both have been proved to work for some conditions. Acupuncture is linked to neuro-immune inflammatory supression, and so would be perfect for situations like the one you were in. Chiropractic treatment also has a sound medical basis when performed properly. I'm glad that they helped. But you didn't mention homeopathy here - so I'm guessing that it wasn't involved in your recovery. Even if you did use homeopathy here, I doubt it played any role in your treatment and subsequent recovery.


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For those with an open mind seeking an alternative to filling their newly foaled mares with unsupervised veterinary medicines, when they have no experience of using them, a good place to start would be reading Horses and Homoeopathy A Guide for Yard and Stable by Mark Elliott Mark Elliott BVSc VetMFHom MRCVS MIPsiMed PCH DSH RSHom. There is a section on foaling.

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Which you should feel free to read. But you should not rely on this alone.

Apologies for hijacking this thread, but it is something I feel very strongly about.