Following on from my collapsed heels post the other day *pics*

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I hope these pics are right, if you need more agles then ill take more.
Just want a general opinion about what the impact of collapsed heels is/how far gone these are/what you all think really!!

overall confirmation (dont know if this has an influence)
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offside fore
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nearside fore
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both feet together
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Hopefully these links work, not that technical!!lol!!

Thanks guys
 
Just looking at the heels as they are in pictures it doesn't look too bad to me.
The bulbs of the heel are hang out the back a bit, pointing to a narrowing of the width of the foot across the back of the frog. But he has plenty of heel below.
I would certainly want a very good farrier (specialist in remedial work) to give his opinion on what he can do to widen the heels and raise the angle of the hoof capsule. Looking at his overall confirmation he appears very upright in the hind pasterns with a fairly straight hocks and legs being held somewhat underneath him.

Maybe he is trying to take the weight off the front feet. Is this how he normally stands?
He appears to have a rather upright shoulder and I think he is croup high, giving him a downhill conformation. This whole set up will load the weight on the forehand and basically on to the front legs.
A really good farrier can do a lot with a young horse to help prevent future problems.
Just read your other posts on the subject so this is now edited.
I had a younster, ISH that stood like that and conformationally was very similar. Think it may be a typical ISH type conformation. Loaded forehand, slightly croup high, straight hocks, (eventer type)
My youngster, now sold but I keep contact, is shod traditionally, by a well respected farrier up here and his feet look totally different now and are perfect.
 
No hes not lame at all. He has remedial farriery before, then changed back to a normal farrier as the remedial one wouldnt keep travelling and I couldnt box him to him.

Believe it or not he normally stands with his hind legs more out behind him but he kept figiting about as it was dinner time so I just grabbed pics as I could

Hes only 7 and was out ODE and HT all last year (successfully) and has now been off work for 5 months since xmas with a chipped bone in his leg and has just started walking
 
To assess the feet properly pics need to be taken from the side. not looking down on them. Before now I have literally laid on my stomach to take pics. It is also very hard to see hoof pastern axis propoerly when the horse isn't standing properly.

But from the pics it looks to me like the shoes offer his heels no support which is essential if his heels are collapsing.
 
With collapsed heels, the shoes need to be set right back to give heel support. Jay had a broken back axis and over time with a good farrier, his feet are now fine.
Still setting the shoes back, though.
Talk to your farrier if you are concerned. A good one wont mind you asking.
 
The horse looks uncomfortable to me. Without seeing the angles its hard to be sure but certainly the heels need a lot more shoe under them and probably something much wider than he is in now.

I would certainly be looking at remedial farriery for this or possibly taking the shoes off altogether for a while (please note I am NOT saying barefoot trim - just take off the shoes!).
 
he did have his shoes off when he did the injury but only had them off for a few months then they had to go back on as his feet just crumbled and vet and farrier agreed that they needed to go back on

Will take pictures at floor level in morning
 
I've seen worse!

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( Shoes just pulled. shoeing interval of 5 weeks horse on bar shoes with pads)

I agree with the others though he could do with a lot more shoe out the back to support the heal area
 
Not much wrong with them, except he is lacking support at the heel from the shoe. The way he is stood isnt helpful, but would say he hasnt got collapsed heels, they just need pulling back a touch
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agree they are not too bad, i have seen much worse but you really need to speak to your farrier re they way he is shod as i don't think he is doing a great job. my TB's heels are pretty much the same but he is shod with much more heel support.
 
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