Following on from - Standard at BE90

[PaddyMonty]

Just curious, how many competing BE train with a pure SJ instructor vs an eventing instructor?

 

[WellyBaggins]

Event trainer for me

 

[chestnut cob]

Event trainer, though she SJ trains with someone who (I think) is pure SJ and if she can get a clear round at Intermediate the I figure she's good enough for teaching me who is just about to do my first 90!

 

[Holidays_are_coming]

I train with a pure Sj instructor and I really notice the difference. Last lesson I got in hot water for just being pleased to get over the fence in one piece!

 

[khalswitz]

I won't comment on myself as not quite there yet (although the way Geoff is going I have a sneaky hope to be out at our first BE80 at the end of this season...), but my friend doing 100's uses a pure SJ and an eventer - says the SJ trainer teaches completely differently, gets him thinking much more, whereas the work in the school from the eventer is useful but much less intense. He gets a 'well done' on a clear from the eventer, and his SJ trainer tells him where his lines should have been better and where his striding was wrong and where his canter wasn't right. However he does also compete at BS so that maybe has something to do with it.

 

[Lolo]

Pure SJ for Al.

 

[Firewell]

Pure SJ and based at SJ yard. I have gone from four faultitis to regularly winning 90cm double clear and I am cross if I'm a second off the pace in the JO! If I get four faults at my next event when my horse hasn't had a pole since I have been at the SJ yard I will scream .
It has made a big difference . I actually like showjumping now!

 

[star]

Chris Burton. 4* eventer. He has totally transformed our SJ this year after years of wobbling around we're now jumping 1m15 courses in lessons.

 

[jellybaby2]

Haven't evented for yonks, but having been based in a pure SJ yard, I'd opt for a pure SJ instructor every time. Really got me thinking about the quality if the canter and I took a green 5 year old from jumping x poles off a crap long stride to a DC in his first newcomer.

 

[Carefreegirl]

Nick Turner for jumping and as he doesn't really like teaching 'flat' (you should see the face he pulls if you turn up in a Dressage saddle :wink3 I use Ginny Oakley who does mainly side saddle and WH but is brilliant with the flat work.
Most importantly they sing off the same song sheet as it were.

 

[RachelFerd]

You know what... I think at BE90 level, what people really lack is a decent, secure jumping position. All very well going to SJ specialists, but very few spend the time getting people in balance, moving with fluency and able to STAY ON!

 

[rotters13]

I use the same trainer now for all three disciplines.... Great for me as I can't get confused between different trainers!!

 

[BeckyD]

I use two - Baydale from on here who is eventing, and then a BE coach called Ann Bostock. Both excellent and sing from the same hymn sheet so it works really well.

The reason I don't SJ clear, I think, is that I don't practice enough. Getting the jumps out once or twice a week and putting them away again, plus getting off constantly to change the jumps/put them up etc seems like such a faff compared to a nice hack. My biggest difficulty therefore is the memory of the big canter that I need for jumping bigger courses. Bill can scoot round 90/100 with his eyes closed/literally looking in the other direction so I get a bit lazy, then for bigger courses I tend to strangle him instead of riding him forwards to the fences.

 

[fabscd]

Event trainer, BUT i don't get away with just getting round in one piece, and i will be doing exercises until i have got it spot on Every Time...at which point i'll get a 'Super!' Until that point it is not good enough! I much prefer having an instructor who will keep going with me until i get it right rather than just telling me it was fine when i know it wasn't

 

[HotToTrot]

BE coach for SJ/arena XC. He is very picky about lines, approach, strides and I don't get told well done just for going clear - at home. I generally get told what I shd have done better. However, he is surpisingly different at a comp and, if I'm bemoaning the fact I fiddled/interfered, he'll tell me to shut up and be happy with the clear!

Second BE coach, less frequently, for XC on a XC course. Also v picky on lines and gears and approach.

 

[gingerlegs]

I use an eventing trainer... who also happens to own and have previously ridden my horse to 3* and advanced so she knows him inside out! Seems silly to use anyone else, she kicks our flatwork in shape too

 

[MagicMelon]

I haven't done BE for a couple of years now but when I was doing BE Novice I never had an event trainer, only had occasional SJ training by a BS trainer. I dont actually know of any proper eventing trainers in my area, things may have changed now but for years I never found one. I think the best way to learn XC is simply by experience.

 

[khalswitz]

I haven't done BE for a couple of years now but when I was doing BE Novice I never had an event trainer, only had occasional SJ training by a BS trainer. I dont actually know of any proper eventing trainers in my area, things may have changed now but for years I never found one. I think the best way to learn XC is simply by experience.

There are a few up here now, (seem to remember you being Aberdeenshire as well?) and a few who regularly travel up, but not to the same scale as down south. There are higher quality SJers I think.

 

[Llanali]

I don't event now, but if I did, it would be a pure SJ trainer for the SJ phase for me.

I BS and dabble in dressage/BD these days, but I have to say, I read that 'standard at 90' thread and was surprised to hear the idea that a dogleg at 90 was technical and tricky......as we often joke, some of the builders around here- and Im Bucks/Beds/Oxon borders, so not a million miles from you...dream of doglegs in 85cm opens...

 

[Madali]

Nick Turner for me as well. I also compete at BS in between eventing. The Show jumpers hate us eventers. Although we do pretty well I always feel like the poor relation. Don't ask me why.

 

[Llanali]

The Show jumpers hate us eventers. Although we do pretty well I always feel like the poor relation. Don't ask me why.

This is a fairly common idea- with zero foundation. BSers do not hate visiting BE people....admittedly we laugh and have a giggle at your tweed and thoroughbreds with brown tack, but you poke fun at our white breeches and fly veils in winter, so all is fair in love and war I feel

Besides, most BE riders at BS are on a ticket, so us BSers don't even register you, as you don't count as it were, except to bump up our prizes with your numbers

 

[Madali]

This is a fairly common idea- with zero foundation. BSers do not hate visiting BE people....admittedly we laugh and have a giggle at your tweed and thoroughbreds with brown tack, but you poke fun at our white breeches and fly veils in winter, so all is fair in love and war I feel

Besides, most BE riders at BS are on a ticket, so us BSers don't even register you, as you don't count as it were, except to bump up our prizes with your numbers

Sorry to shatter your illusion. I have a welsh cob with black tack sometimes to wind you up,I will wear my tweed but I generally take the prize money home.It's like taking sweeties from a baby......

 

[Maclinda]

I'm greedy I have both eventer trainer and pure SJ trainer. My SJing is what let's me down so I need all the help I can get!

 

[Llanali]

Sorry to shatter your illusion. I have a welsh cob with black tack sometimes to wind you up,I will wear my tweed but I generally take the prize money home.It's like taking sweeties from a baby......

And the one time I took my mare to a BE course, she got a dressage that left her halfway down the list and a double clear inside the time........and I wore my brown bum freezer jacket and blind brow band Plus, she's irish, not warmblood, so no breed illusions here I'm afraid!

 

[Llanali]

My SJing is what let's me down so I need all the help I can get!

This is true of me in most disciplines though lol!

 

[siennamum]

Absolutely pure SJ trainer all the way although I've just remembered that I don't event or compete really. Just like having lessons.

 

[HotToTrot]

So come on, Paddy Monty, what's the answer??!! We've told you who we train with, now divulge to us The Meaning Of Life and Jumping Trainers?!

 

[anna22]

I train with Val Smyth, she evented to 3* level, then SJed to grade A and now does dressage to GP standard... I don't feel like I need anyone else! I never realised how multi-talented she was and only originally started lessons with her for our flatwork! Now she has us whizzing round 100/N XC combinations and SJing in our sleep Love her, would highly recommend anyone in the N.West to give her a go.

 

[Twiglet]

Ooooooh the forum works again!

I can't say I event now, but when I was aiming to last year it was with an eventing trainer for all three phases, and odd lessons with yard owner for flatwork and a pure SJ instructor. The eventer knew the horse and was able to teach across the board - I liked the fact that the flat lessons worked in conjunction with the jump sessions.