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lilym
Guest
i DARE one of you to post it on horsegossip!!!!!
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
What, just go on there and put 'all show cobs are too fat'?
I'll do it because they are and I'll go one step further and say 98% of horses in the show ring are too fat.
I'll do it because they are and I'll go one step further and say 98% of horses in the show ring are too fat.
RunToEarth
Well-Known Member
I'm actually going to bite back, because I think things like this are just a massive generalisation.
I'm not a showing girl- never was pretty in pink and I'm ok with that. I do however work at the big shows as my boss shows, and during that time I get to know a lot of the showing people, the ones that are at all the big shows.
Cobs are beefy- even my MontyCob was beefy and he hunted twice a week, and wouldn't they look a pillock if they were skinny?
I admit, yes, in the showing ring I have thought to myself "god, that horse looks huge" and 9 times out of ten the judge places them right down the order because of it, but I've never stood and thought that the whole class looked huge.
Now what I do find ridiculous is that at the GYS on Tuesday our 16.2hh 4yo hunter was the smallest one in the ring, and judged down the order because of it.
I'm not a showing girl- never was pretty in pink and I'm ok with that. I do however work at the big shows as my boss shows, and during that time I get to know a lot of the showing people, the ones that are at all the big shows.
Cobs are beefy- even my MontyCob was beefy and he hunted twice a week, and wouldn't they look a pillock if they were skinny?
I admit, yes, in the showing ring I have thought to myself "god, that horse looks huge" and 9 times out of ten the judge places them right down the order because of it, but I've never stood and thought that the whole class looked huge.
Now what I do find ridiculous is that at the GYS on Tuesday our 16.2hh 4yo hunter was the smallest one in the ring, and judged down the order because of it.
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
I don't think that any horse has to be beefy - a totally inadvisable description and condition for any equine! Muscle and reasonable condition, yes, but that topped-off, solidness with gutter-back and no definition of shoulder is wrong, wrong, wrong.
Good for all those who own the chunkier types who strive for as lean a condition as is feasible and fair, some of whom posted on the earlier thread
I happen to think that Osk is in great shape - regardless of your frustration that he runs up light at the drop of a hat!
Good for all those who own the chunkier types who strive for as lean a condition as is feasible and fair, some of whom posted on the earlier thread
I happen to think that Osk is in great shape - regardless of your frustration that he runs up light at the drop of a hat!
itsme123
Well-Known Member
I actually have to agree with Rosie.
My boss's colt was deemed as 'carrying too much weight bearing in mind we're going into spring and wouldnt want him to put on any more' at a top showing society show earlier this year. He wasnt fat, but I commended the judge on pointing this out (she wasnt to know my boss is a breeder and judge) and placing the pony down as an example.
Judges are quite up on this right now...
What I find appauling is badly behaved, rude and dangerous horses being placed by judges in the ring. Horses that flit about, rear or continually buck should be asked to leave the ring, end of.
My boss's colt was deemed as 'carrying too much weight bearing in mind we're going into spring and wouldnt want him to put on any more' at a top showing society show earlier this year. He wasnt fat, but I commended the judge on pointing this out (she wasnt to know my boss is a breeder and judge) and placing the pony down as an example.
Judges are quite up on this right now...
What I find appauling is badly behaved, rude and dangerous horses being placed by judges in the ring. Horses that flit about, rear or continually buck should be asked to leave the ring, end of.
conniegirl
Well-Known Member
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What, just go on there and put 'all show cobs are too fat'?
I'll do it because they are and I'll go one step further and say 98% of horses in the show ring are too fat.
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I find that a huge generalisation and actualy quite offensive, I show and whilst there are a few who are rather large, it is no where near the 98% your saying and infact most judges are now actively dumping fat horses down the line, some of the top hunters and cobs in the country do a seasons hunting.
i can honestly say that my ponies are not fat and are probably fitter then alot of hackers and dressage horses. one of mine very happily does 2 to 3 hours a day of fast hacking without breaking a sweat. Infact he very happily did a full day at one show because he was being used to calm down younger horses he did at least 6 hours of work that day and was still pulling like a steam train at the end of it.
Top line and condition are achieved by hard work. lots of hill work and working in an outline.
As for the GYS im not suprosed that non of the cobs went for a proper gallop, they were knee deep in mud an i do know of more then one horse who tweaked something plowing through that mud.
What, just go on there and put 'all show cobs are too fat'?
I'll do it because they are and I'll go one step further and say 98% of horses in the show ring are too fat.
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I find that a huge generalisation and actualy quite offensive, I show and whilst there are a few who are rather large, it is no where near the 98% your saying and infact most judges are now actively dumping fat horses down the line, some of the top hunters and cobs in the country do a seasons hunting.
i can honestly say that my ponies are not fat and are probably fitter then alot of hackers and dressage horses. one of mine very happily does 2 to 3 hours a day of fast hacking without breaking a sweat. Infact he very happily did a full day at one show because he was being used to calm down younger horses he did at least 6 hours of work that day and was still pulling like a steam train at the end of it.
Top line and condition are achieved by hard work. lots of hill work and working in an outline.
As for the GYS im not suprosed that non of the cobs went for a proper gallop, they were knee deep in mud an i do know of more then one horse who tweaked something plowing through that mud.
PoppyAnderson
Well-Known Member
Well, there were cobs at the GYS that were out and out fat. Sorry if that's too plain talking for some but a fact's a fact.
conniegirl
Well-Known Member
can i also point out that some cobs are naturaly apple bummed. I had a cob for a while and no matter how much weight i got off him his bum remained apple shape. Even when every rib was able to be felt without pushing hard, he was eventing fit and regularly did ODE's normaly in the top end of things and the vet was saying that i should not take anymore weight off him he had an apple bum, that was just his shape.
lauraanddolly
Well-Known Member
Never been a cob person myself but, many responsible showing people and judges are well aware of the affects of any horse carrying too much weight. I highly doubt any fat animal was placed, if it was the judge should be questioned about it.
I think fat horses should be thrown out of the ring along with the naughty ones.
I think fat horses should be thrown out of the ring along with the naughty ones.
virtual
Well-Known Member
Fat cobs in the show ring are usually those that aren't really cobs, but some people have the misguided thought that putting lots of weight on a poor moving/big headed small hunter will transform it into a cob.
Three
Well-Known Member
Some cobs are too fat, there's no doubt of that. But I also agree with Rosiie and conniegirl - cobs are naturally bigger built.
My cob doesn't show but has a chest width that makes people do a double take. This is not fat, it's just the width he is. He also has an apple bum but you can see his ribs.
He has been schooled from the time he was backed and has huge shoulder and neck muscles (he wasn't cut until he was rising 3 so has a crest too), his quarters are also huge but need to be to lift the bulk of his front end.
So all in all is a very very large boy (though only just 15.1hh) and makes most other horses look like lightweights. However he can move, has a breathtaking extended trot, is light on his hooves and has a lovely balanced collected canter.
My cob doesn't show but has a chest width that makes people do a double take. This is not fat, it's just the width he is. He also has an apple bum but you can see his ribs.
He has been schooled from the time he was backed and has huge shoulder and neck muscles (he wasn't cut until he was rising 3 so has a crest too), his quarters are also huge but need to be to lift the bulk of his front end.
So all in all is a very very large boy (though only just 15.1hh) and makes most other horses look like lightweights. However he can move, has a breathtaking extended trot, is light on his hooves and has a lovely balanced collected canter.
RunToEarth
Well-Known Member
Well I watched most of the cob classes at the GYS and don't agree with you one bit pop, apart from the odd one, none of them were dimply, gross, cresty things. Cobs carry weight, you know not all horses deem to look like TBs. Judges place fat cobs bottom end to prove the point- obese animals arn't attractive, please don't make out that the showing community finds fat horses a way forwards, and no way are 98% of show horses too fat- that is a disgusting statement, and founded on nothing, out of all the shows I have been to this season I have only seen a handful that I thought "eugh" at.
blackfeet
Member
my cob is a heavy weight with an apple bum, and he is perfect weight for his breeding both the vet and my farrier have said he looks great. but i am sick of the woman who owns my yard making digs about him being fat!!! she forgets he will go out for three/four hour hacks without breaking a sweat or looking tired and will quite happily still trot home! but she starves her cob to make it thin i dont think she wants a cob coz she tries to make it look like a thoroughbred altough she'd never be able to hsandle one!
most people that call cobs fat are those who have arabs and thoroiughbreds that are slim
most people that call cobs fat are those who have arabs and thoroiughbreds that are slim