Food for thought from the vet today...

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I had the vet out to Ellie today, just really to check on how she is healing and to assess when she can be brought back into work. It was my 'proper' vet today instead of the emergency vet who came out on the night she was kicked - so he knows Ellie a lot better.

He said she has been very, very lucky - he couldnt for the life of him understand how she has been kicked where she has without seemingly breaking or rupturing anything. There is a largeish swelling still just below her hock, right on the tendon, but he said without putting her through endless scans - which he is reluctant to do when she isnt even remotely lame - there is no real way of knowing whether she has actually damaged the tendon fibres, or whether the swelling is just a thickening/scarring of the skin where she lost her chestnut. He basically said that I can start to ride her again whenever I like - roadwork only for 3 weeks or so - and that I have to be guided by her - if the tendon swells or gets hot, I know I have done too much. If she does go lame, we know there is a problem and he has said to ring him immediately and we will reassess.
What he did say is that if we were still showjumping at the level we used to, this would almost certainly have ended her career as the leg would never stand up to constant training and competition. My heart sank a little; although I never intend to show jump again I had hoped that we may get to hunt a couple of times and maybe do some XC - and at first I thought that would be out of the question. But the vet basically said I just have to be guided by Ellie - he said I know her well enough by now to know if she is 'happy' and comfortable. So we just have to take it as it comes.

At the back of my mind, I blame myself for this happening. I dont know if anyone remembers but when we first moved to the yard we're at now, I made a post on here with a poll asking people whether their horses had ever been badly injured when turned out in a group. I was worried then, before we even put her out there, and now nine months or so down the line she has been hurt, potentially life changingly so, and I wish I hadnt put her in that position, knowing the kind of horse she is and knowing the type of horses we were putting her out with
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Here are a couple of pics of her this morning; please dont lambast me about her being tubby- she has been stabled 24/7 for the last 3 weeks or so
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If you look her at her near hind, you can just see the bump on her tendon, right at the back:

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I don't mean this to sound rude but this is horses , stop over analysing every small detail .. even if you kept her wrapped up in cotton wool something very tiny could have meant a life changing injury.

These things happen and they have so stop picking it all apart and beating yourself up over it.

I mean it in the nicest possible way. But these things do happen and unless you want to mount a 24 hour guard on her .. horses will be horses
 
I have to agree with ISHY, my yard has quite a large turn over and large turnout groups (6-10) so there is always new horses being introduced. It put me off turning her out for a while but you just have to do it......dont beat yourself up about things that you cant change. When you've got a horse theres always something to worry about (as I'm sure you know) but you have to take every day as it comes in terms of her ridden work and know you're doing the best you can
 
I do understand what you mean, but I just wish I hadnt taken the risk with her....we were told when we went there that there was a clear hierarchy among the established herd. We also knew that Ellie is the sort of horse who doesnt take kindly to being bossed around- she knows her own mind too much. And the mare that kicked her....I have seen her kick three other mares before and STILL I didnt think about it enough to make a move to safeguard my own horse. In my mind, it was just an accident waiting to happen - now I look back at it
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Sorry but that sounds very bizarre from the vet to me.

Having an ultrasound scan really isn't traumatic for a horse. If you have a lump/swelling over a tendon, even if the horse is not lame, and with his opinion being that the area she has come off lightly I think for the sake of £100 I would have the area scanned before starting work.
 
I know how you feel , but honestly STOP beating yourself up over it ! I could list a mountain of things I could have done differently so I'd have a different outcome with Sol but why bother? Nothing will EVER change it now. Stop riddling yourself with guilt over an accident. Just learn from it and trust your instincts next time.

Sorry if I sound harsh , but i've done the guilt , the blame and its just not worth it xx
 
MizElz I don't care what anyone says I would not call her fat she is lovely. She's not skinny and not fat just how I like them. I was wondering the other day how she was doing and was going to pm you but forgot (I think I have the on set of alzheimers) Glad she's not lame I can understand where your coming from.
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Not with horses, but my dog has had two ultrasound scans on his nether regions/bladder - it's not a big deal, it's just the same as what a pregnant woman would have done on her tummy, bit of gel, scanner goes over, piccy comes up on the screen, it is not invasive at all.
 
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Sorry but that sounds very bizarre from the vet to me.

Having an ultrasound scan really isn't traumatic for a horse. If you have a lump/swelling over a tendon, even if the horse is not lame, and with his opinion being that the area she has come off lightly I think for the sake of £100 I would have the area scanned before starting work.

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Money has nothing to do with it - it's all being covered by the insurance anyway. I didnt post this for people to question my vet's advice; I was more than happy with what he advised and what we talked about. Maybe I'm just not explaining things very well; it is hard to convey an entire conversation in a few written words. But believe me, if I had any doubts whatsoever about what we advised I would have questioned it at the time.
 
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MizElz I don't care what anyone says I would not call her fat she is lovely. She's not skinny and not fat just how I like them. I was wondering the other day how she was doing and was going to pm you but forgot (I think I have the on set of alzheimers) Glad she's not lame I can understand where your coming from.
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Thank you; I was expecting to be told that she is morbidly obese and that my horse management is appalling
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She's existing on nothing but hay so it must be good stuff! Her coat is horrible at the moment though, cant wait for clipping time
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I think and correct me if I'm wrong what MizElz is saying is she wished she had maybe not put her horse in with this herd. MizElz you cannot blame yourself though. Can she go out with just one or two others that are not as aggressive as that mare
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I think and correct me if I'm wrong what MizElz is saying is she wished she had maybe not put her horse in with this herd. MizElz you cannot blame yourself though. Can she go out with just one or two others that are not as aggressive as that mare
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Unfortunately not; our yard owner is flexible on most things but turnout isnt one of them! All the geldings are in one field, the mares in the other - there was no way we could negotiate anything else. So we're moving on Saturday to another yard where we can have a paddock of our own- she'll be next to others, but turned out individually.
 
She doesn't look fat at all I'd say she was perfect weight I wouldnt want to see any less on her esp coming in to winter!

I know what you mean about TO horses in big groups, luckily mine is at a small yard now with 2 horses and mine isn't dominant! It's happen now so you just have to take it as it goes but you'll know for future! To be fair though accidents happen all the time which is rubbish!
 
As everyone said horses will be horses. My old mare was turned out in a large herd of about 30 (4 very large fields!). We moved 3 of them onto a new field with more grass and she got kicked. Never thought twice about turning the three of them out!
And she looks good, definately not too fat especially going into winter.
 
She looks a good weight, especially as she's coming into winter.

I think you need to calm yourself down a bit, MizElz. Horses are horses and you can't stop them. If she moves to a paddock on her own, she could just as easily kick through a fence. These things are ones you cannot avoid, you simply have to work yourself and your horse through them. You can't wrap your horse in cotton wool - even if you could she would hate it. So just have fun with Ellie, work through whatever happens, and good luck with her.

P.S. She's a very pretty mare, btw.
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