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After a bit of advice, i have a nearly 2 yr old male collie
he isn't in a lot if work as has hip dysplasia. Is on metacam to see if this will help stop the muscle spasms after runs.currently gets two 20 minute runs a week then lead walked for roughly the same time. Thi is slowly increasing.
we play alot of mental games and do trick training.....currently working on him fetching the post :)
now here is my pondering.....

he has these moments, can last anything between 30mins and an hour, of panting, going hyper and glassy eyed and hearing my voice but not calming down to it.
vet has run bloods and they came back clear, he does have some enlarged lymph nodes in hind legs.

thinks it might be the start of epilepsy so wants to try the epiphen for a month to see if it helps. If so then carry on.

my other idea came from reading a few posts on here when people ask for help with their horses what they are fed always comes up so if his month on tablet doesn't change anything then i will be looking at food.

he is on butchers at the moment.

i have been doing a bit of googling and high protien diets can make dogs hyper. I cant find protein info for what he is on but can anyone recommend some food to look at?

i am not in the position to do a RAW diet.

thankies from a worried Slightlyconfused
 
If I wasn't feeding raw, I would feed Wainwrights. It comes as complete dry, or in trays/tins/pouches. Expensive but mine did well on it as a pup. I now feed raw.

That thirty minutes to an hour would worry me a lot, if it is indeed a seizure. Has your vet arranged for any tests or an MRI? I ask as I was told that seizures that go on beyond a certain duration can result in brain death :( Really advise that you pursue all investigations as soon as possible.

Best wishes to him. My chap is on Pexion for epilepsy, and Creon for his pancreas. The pancreas issue means that he can't have certain medications, and I am building his exercise back up slowly.
 
Arizahn said:
If I wasn't feeding raw, I would feed Wainwrights. It comes as complete dry, or in trays/tins/pouches. Expensive but mine did well on it as a pup. I now feed raw.

That thirty minutes to an hour would worry me a lot, if it is indeed a seizure. Has your vet arranged for any tests or an MRI? I ask as I was told that seizures that go on beyond a certain duration can result in brain death :( Really advise that you pursue all investigations as soon as possible.

Best wishes to him. My chap is on Pexion for epilepsy, and Creon for his pancreas. The pancreas issue means that he can't have certain medications, and I am building his exercise back up slowly.
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thank you. My vet said that having him on the tablets would show if it is seizures then we can go from there with the mri etc....... not sure that it is but we can only try and see.

i do think i need to have a proper look at his diet regardless as he is very sensitive to certain foods and medication. There is one antibiotic family that he is severely allergic to. Face swells up and breathing problems, that was scary when that happens.
will have a look at wainwrights.

thank you
 
I've just swapped to grain-free Wainwright's for the two older dogs. Yet to see a difference but they've done well on Wainwright's standard complete in the past, so we'll see.

Collie pup is currently fed on Arden Grange puppy and is doing fine.
 
Thanks :)

One quick questions, my vet doesn't like feeding dry food as he says it can damage their liver and kidneys......this was about ten years ago but I've always remembered it. I supposed foods have changed since then but does anyone else have a comment on that?

Off to do ponies:)
 
if you really dont want to try raw Id go with Applaws.

Arden Grange is ‘reasonable’ there are worse dry foods and i fed it for years before i discovered other options.

Really don’t rate CSJ, sorry. Yes a lot of agility people etc feed it but it’s readily available as it’s distributed round shows, marketed and aimed at collie folk.

Is there a specific reason you dont want to try raw? You can get complete meal tubs from Nutriment or Natural Instinct that are like the plastic tubs take away comes in. They stack neatly in a freezer drawer and dont take up much space:) Less hassle than feeding butchers tins!

Good luck anyway whatever you decide :)
 
Patterdale said:
What the reason for this? I've only ever heard good things :)
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well, there are simply better foods out there. Some dogs do well on it for sure. The cheaper end of their range is stuffed full of cereals and even the command performance, whose first main ingredient is meat still has beet pulp & other cereal in it. None of mine ever did well on it and what came out of the other end was testament to that.
http://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/0504/csj-command-performance-xtra
 
I feed mine raw, but if I didn't I'd feed something like Burns, Arden Grange, Skinners, Origen or Taste of the Wild. I too don't rate CSJ, especially after seeing some that someone that had a pup from me was feeding her.
 
Second Wainwrights, my collie has multiple food intolerances and does really well on this, she get s mix of the dry with a little meat mixed in.

Hip dysplasia wise, try and find a good hydrotherapy pool near you as thats brilliant exercise for developing muscle without the concussion / pain from walking. My girl can only manage 5 / 10 minutes max walks, most days she only gets the 5 and if she gets a 10/15 minute walk she feels it for several days (she has pretty severe arthritis now as well in her hips, is 10 1/2) but she swims for 20 minute sessions and only needs a little more pain killers that night, no ill effects the next day and she'd certainly have a lot less muscle than she does now. Also a good joint supplement is essential to delay/improve the arthritis that will develop because of the poor hip socket form (I use green lipped muscle and find it excellent - MEg is as sore if she misses several days of that as she is if she misses her codiene)
 
Slightlyconfused said:
After a bit of advice, .......

he has these moments, can last anything between 30mins and an hour, of panting, going hyper and glassy eyed and hearing my voice but not calming down to it.
vet has run bloods and they came back clear, he does have some enlarged lymph nodes in hind legs.

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thankies from a worried Slightlyconfused
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Probably not what you want to hear, but if I owned a dog which suffered as yours does, I would be questioning my reasons for allowing his suffering to continue.

Dogs don't understand the concept that we are acting in their best interests, when we allow suffering to continue.

In your shoes I would be alarmed at any vet who suggested continuing with either treatment or experiments.

Your dog has my sympathy. Sorry, but you asked for advice, and this is mine.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
Probably not what you want to hear, but if I owned a dog which suffered as yours does, I would be questioning my reasons for allowing his suffering to continue.

Dogs don't understand the concept that we are acting in their best interests, when we allow suffering to continue.

In your shoes I would be alarmed at any vet who suggested continuing with either treatment or experiments.

Your dog has my sympathy. Sorry, but you asked for advice, and this is mine.

Alec.
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Thank you Alec, these moments aren't every day. Bout once a week, just enough to have me worried.
I haven't seem my normal vet so going to get in a see him as he is always straight with me. I have a real bad feeling about the food he is getting and if he is allergic to anything in there as he is allergic to a few antibiotics.

A trip to my normal vet and see what they say then will be looking at things.


Thanks everyone.
 
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