For all the YO/YMs

[criso]

I thought the horse was on grass livery -which is why the problem occured??

I was referring to the legal reply Touchstone quoted. In that case there was horse on full training livery and the owner not paying.

I meant "in this case" to refer to Touchstone's example as opposed to a horse on grass livery and was wondering whether the same concept of responsibility applies if you are only renting use of a field or stable with no management.

 

[Gingerwitch]

Grass livery to me is when a YO should be checking. Renting a field would be different however in both cases the land owner has a egal responsibility to any animals on their land.

If the YO didn't want the responsibility of the horses when the owner was miles away (we've provided this for liveries previously when moving foc) then they give notice. They don't let an animal die on site... That's a reputation I wouldn't like to have.

No i totally agree with you about the yo should have given notice - but round her grass livery is the most basic form of livery you get - no input from the YO at all - not even the water troughs filled. I suppose it depends on what is being charged as to what the YO will do. I honestly would be expecting to be paying circa £30 quid a week for a horse to be on FULL grass livery i.e. rugs changed, hayed, hooves trimed, fly sprayed, checked twice a day, given hard feed etc and then would be expecting to pay for hay too

 

[Polos Mum]

I thought the horse was on grass livery -which is why the problem occured?? not saying that its acceptable, but I thought it was a fine horse and owner was keeping it on grass livery... which costs less than 2 packs of fags

I think she is referring to touchstone's example of a young horse being abandoned on breaking livery. Not the grass livery example where the poor horse died.

Either way I think in the eyes of the law the land owner is responsible - hence why when people with welfare type issues say 'YO is a farmer/ investment banker/ elderly etc. and not involved in the yard at all' it's (IMHO) kind of irrelevant - his land his problem - no debate.

 

[PandorasJar]

GW our grass livery cost more than stabled in the area. It had twice daily checks for all and winter forage so that the horses didn't end up in a state however often owners visited... Didn't have a problem filling up and still get calls frequently asking if we've space now we've moved

 

[Gingerwitch]

GW our grass livery cost more than stabled in the area. It had twice daily checks for all and winter forage so that the horses didn't end up in a state however often owners visited... Didn't have a problem filling up and still get calls frequently asking if we've space now we've moved

I have no issue with price, grass livery in our area is between 10 and 12 quid a week - with nothing done, if i was leaving a horse for that length of time i would be more than happy to pay alot more to make sure he or she was okay.

If you dont mind me asking how much do you charge - pm me if you would perfer

 

[Hexx]

Having just witnessed a YO stopping feeding a horse because the owner had not paid the bills - I think this goes on more than we know. How can you be sure that your horse has been fed if you don't go to the yard everyday - this applies to grass, part, full liveries?

Horse in question is now safe - I bought it! Bit of a silly thing to do, as I didn't want a TBx or a second horse, come to think of it, but she's gone on full loan to a friend who I know will look after her really well, and come the end of the summer, we can decide whether to keep or sell on.

 

[PandorasJar]

On phone atm but will pm later GW.

 

[emz-loves-orses]

A quick question to try and run alongside this origional thread.... A couple live in a rented groundfloor flat. They go on holiday for a month and leave the cat, locked inside with no provisions. Does the landlord get prosecuted for welfare because it is their property?
To my understanding of the mentioned grass livery, the ho had only visited her 2 animals twice in 3 months, paying only basic grass livery until moving away. She made no arrangements for extra care when moved, but the yo did check regularly and communicate. When one animal took a sudden turn for the worse the yo took steps to care for the animal which was rapidly removed on owners instruction and died elsewhere.... Nothing is ever simple, but I would never rent my land now that the law expects me to care for others responsibilities on their behalf when they can't be bothered, or are a bit skint that month....?
Perspective is difficult with such sensitive subjects... That landlord would never get prosecuted! That yo is being persecuted beyond belief!!

 

[Gingerwitch]

Having just witnessed a YO stopping feeding a horse because the owner had not paid the bills - I think this goes on more than we know. How can you be sure that your horse has been fed if you don't go to the yard everyday - this applies to grass, part, full liveries?

Horse in question is now safe - I bought it! Bit of a silly thing to do, as I didn't want a TBx or a second horse, come to think of it, but she's gone on full loan to a friend who I know will look after her really well, and come the end of the summer, we can decide whether to keep or sell on.

Well done you - bet she will be a diamond - and glad someone is as mad as me - but have had to promise that 4 will not be added too @D

 

[touchstone]

A quick question to try and run alongside this origional thread.... A couple live in a rented groundfloor flat. They go on holiday for a month and leave the cat, locked inside with no provisions. Does the landlord get prosecuted for welfare because it is their property?...
Nothing is ever simple, but I would never rent my land now that the law expects me to care for others responsibilities on their behalf when they can't be bothered, or are a bit skint that month....?
Perspective is difficult with such sensitive subjects... That landlord would never get prosecuted! That yo is being persecuted beyond belief!!

If the landlord was aware of the abandonment and did nothing then he proabaly would be guilty of animal cruelty. The law is there to protect animals from suffering, the landlord of a property with an abandoned cat should call the welfare agencies who would probably check that the animal had been abandoned and then remove it. I am sure that you realise it is much easier for the rescue agencies to care for a cat than to remove every abandoned horse.

I would never rent my land either, at least not without excellent communication with the horse owners and as already said a good written contract and contingency plans in advance for any livery defaulting. It is a risk every livery yard owner should be prepared for, and who could just leave a horse that was abandoned? If you aren't prepared to offer basic care for it that then you are right, you have no place as a livery owner.

YO being persecuted? I think it is more a case of someone who can wilfully allow a horse to get to the state that it drops dead with little or no intervention that disgusts people.