For those visitors on here who are Hunt sabs.

[Alec Swan]

Can you explain to me why you, those of you who do, cover your faces? If you believe that you are right in your actions, why do you lack the courage to support your stance and why do you feel the need to hide your identity?

A simple question, I wonder if there's a simple answer.

Alec.

 

[Equi]

They claim not to want the retaliation.

 

[EquiEquestrian556]

Good question....

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

Good one Alec.

 

[Welly]

I think it's the same as people who say nasty things on Facebook and other media sites. They feel so big and brave when they don't have to confront you face to face.

 

[FFAQ]

What's a hunt sab? Sorry if that's a stupid question - not been hunting before so don't know the lingo!!

 

[Alec Swan]

What's a hunt sab? …….. !!

Those who disrupt a legal pastime, and all so often in an illegal fashion.

Alec.

 

[spacefaer]

What's a hunt sab? Sorry if that's a stupid question - not been hunting before so don't know the lingo!!

Hunt saboteur

 

[Shay]

Pity none have had the courage to explain their position - but perhaps to be expected for those who hide their identities in this way. I particularly liked one of ours who - when filmed striking hunting horses with a stick - could be identified by the mohawk sticking up through the purpose cut slit in his balaclava....

 

[Fellewell]

Because they would be easily identified as people who call themselves anarchists and turn up anywhere they can behave violently and get away with it.
Anyone with a genuine interest in the countryside would appreciate well-trained animals at work.

 

[brighteyes]

Are there any about? *about about about...*

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

What's a hunt sab? Sorry if that's a stupid question - not been hunting before so don't know the lingo!!

Hunt sabateur, they are often organised to disrupt the hunt.
Causing distress to the hounds is not important to them.
Violence has been reported for years and years.
They don't go to all hunts.
They include some petty criminals and thugs looking for an excuse to break the law: criminal, common, and hunting.

 

[Fidgety]

They claim not to want the retaliation.

Or their bosses to see the type of person they employ.

 

[webble]

Hmm it's unlikely there are many on here that are going to want to interact given the posts already on this thread

 

[Alec Swan]

webble, I understand that, but it doesn't answer the question as to why they feel the need to hide their identities. Have you any ideas? A genuine question.

Alec.

 

[Moomin1]

webble, I understand that, but it doesn't answer the question as to why they feel the need to hide their identities. Have you any ideas? A genuine question.

Alec.

I would think it's quite straight forward - to avoid any reprisals. Though who knows, I doubt any sab will comment on here like Webble says

 

[AmieeT]

Because they would be easily identified as people who call themselves anarchists and turn up anywhere they can behave violently and get away with it.
Anyone with a genuine interest in the countryside would appreciate well-trained animals at work.

^^^ this. If they didn't cover their faces they wouldn't get away with half of the crap they pull.

 

[Alec Swan]

I would think it's quite straight forward - to avoid any reprisals. Though who knows, I doubt any sab will comment on here like Webble says

Strange that, when there has yet to be a prosecution against any Hunt supporter, for as you say, 'reprisals', but plenty against the hardcore activists who break the Law. Again, why should those who feel that they have right on their side be so fearful of exposure? I remain confused!

Alec.

 

[npage123]

Pity none have had the courage to explain their position - but perhaps to be expected for those who hide their identities in this way. I particularly liked one of ours who - when filmed striking hunting horses with a stick - could be identified by the mohawk sticking up through the purpose cut slit in his balaclava....

Lol! Such a give-away, what was he thinking to have his mohawk sticking out like that! Reminds me of the thieves who drew 'masks' onto their faces with permanent marker.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...bery-with-permanent-marker-pen-disguises.html

 

[webble]

Given the way hunts people treat foxes and some of the unpleasant posts on here it wouldn't surprise me if there were rogue hunt people interested in reprisal. Just because there haven't been prosecutions doesn't mean it hasn't happened

Strange that, when there has yet to be a prosecution against any Hunt supporter, for as you say, 'reprisals', but plenty against the hardcore activists who break the Law. Again, why should those who feel that they have right on their side be so fearful of exposure? I remain confused!

Alec.

 

[Moomin1]

Strange that, when there has yet to be a prosecution against any Hunt supporter, for as you say, 'reprisals', but plenty against the hardcore activists who break the Law. Again, why should those who feel that they have right on their side be so fearful of exposure? I remain confused!

Alec.

I don't know Alec. I imagine it's simply because those sabs who cause damage or hurt any of the hunt horses are committing offences, therefore they don't want recognising. I would have thought that bit was obvious?

As for those who wear them but don't cause any offence to be committed, I assume they don't want targeting by people who will blanket them with those who do cause the offences maybe? That's the only reason I can think.

 

[Moomin1]

Given the way hunts people treat foxes and some of the unpleasant posts on here it wouldn't surprise me if there were rogue hunt people interested in reprisal. Just because there haven't been prosecutions doesn't mean it hasn't happened

If my memory is right, I think there's a case ongoing whereby a huntsman is accused of seriously injuring a sab by knocking her over with his horse. I am sure it was in the news recently.

 

[Alec Swan]

…….. it wouldn't surprise me if there were rogue hunt people interested in reprisal. Just because there haven't been prosecutions doesn't mean it hasn't happened

That surprises me, a great deal. Would you suggest that there have been reprisals against sabs but that the victims are to fearful to report the assaults?

Alec.

 

[webble]

I wouldn't know. Personally I don't think there should be any need for hunts to be monitored but as has been proved laws can and will be broken

That surprises me, a great deal. Would you suggest that there have been reprisals against sabs but that the victims are to fearful to report the assaults?

Alec.

 

[Alec Swan]

If my memory is right, I think there's a case ongoing whereby a huntsman is accused of seriously injuring a sab by knocking her over with his horse. I am sure it was in the news recently.

Yes, you're right, there is, but with the only reliable evidence of an 'assault' being film footage of the unfortunately injured person stepping in to the path of a fast moving horse, and either horse or rider attempting to avoid the obstacle, a successful prosecution is unlikely to follow, I'd have thought. I would also point out that at worst it was an accident, and hardly what you would refer to as a 'reprisal' which would be a premeditated act.

Alec.

 

[Alec Swan]

I wouldn't know. ……..

Exactly, you don't know, and neither do I! It seems that we're both in the dark!

Alec.

 

[Moomin1]

Yes, you're right, there is, but with the only reliable evidence of an 'assault' being film footage the unfortunately injured person stepping in to the path of a fast moving horse, and either horse or rider attempting to avoid the obstacle, a successful prosecution is unlikely to follow, I'd have thought. I would also point out that at worst it was an accident, and hardly what you would refer to as a 'reprisal' which would be a premeditated act.

Alec.

Who knows. I don't know anything about it. I'm quite surprised that you are so naive Alec as to imagine that EVERY huntsperson is sparkly clean. We all know there are sabs, and hunts people that are engaged in illegal activities. To try and portray a 100% clean picture of every single hunt and huntsperson is just a bit silly really. I have no time of day for sabs who commit any offence, particularly those who do so against animals themselves. They are lower than low. I also have no time for those who hunt illegally. And we all know that both of those examples take place.

 

[Alec Swan]

…….. . I imagine it's simply because those sabs who cause damage or hurt any of the hunt horses are committing offences, therefore they don't want recognising. I would have thought that bit was obvious?

…….. .

Can we assume that any acts against either horse, hounds or humans, and by sabs would have you condemning their actions, and without qualification or justification?

Alec.

 

[Moomin1]

Can we assume that any acts against either horse, hounds or humans, and by sabs would have you condemning their actions, and without qualification or justification?

Alec.

I'm sorry Alec, you've lost me? Why would you assume that I would condone sab activity?

 

[Alec Swan]

……... I'm quite surprised that you are so naive Alec as to imagine that EVERY huntsperson is sparkly clean. We all know there are sabs, and hunts people that are engaged in illegal activities. To try and portray a 100% clean picture of every single hunt and huntsperson is just a bit silly really.

I have no time of day for sabs who commit any offence, particularly those who do so against animals themselves. They are lower than low. I also have no time for those who hunt illegally. And we all know that both of those examples take place.

Your first paragraph would seem to many to make the point that in fact, two wrongs do make a right! There is no justification for those who beak the law to attempt to explain that they're doing so, because that's what others are doing. That isn't how the Law works, thankfully.

Your second paragraph would seem to condemn out of hand those who injure animals in their pursuit of their own version of justice. Interestingly, you pass no comment upon those who bully and attack other people who are going about a perfectly legal pastime.

I've still yet to read from anyone who supports the sabs just why they need to hide their identities!

Alec.