Foreign rescues/transportation

CorvusCorax

'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Joined
15 January 2008
Messages
59,293
Location
End of the pier
Visit site
Having travelled in Europe with my own dogs and been very happy to comply with very stringent rules, having chips and passports checked, driving long distances and stopping every few hours to clean my dogs (including going down several times in the night time if we're on a boat), I've often wondered how commercial transporters with multiple dogs manage it, it's enough of a faff with two or three, and these are not nervous/skittish rescues, they know me and they are happy to go for a wee with me in a strange layby or services car park with cars and lorries whizzing past or to be taken out and scanned and put away again, either at a kiosk or in a terminal.
For instance, my friend's vet had made a bit of a smudge on the pet passport/it wasn't initialled and they were held at the French side and had to go to a vet to get it sorted out and it was a right palaver.
This post has confirmed some of my worst fears.

Originally posted by Pet Transport Services on March 27:

It’s not often we have a rant via these means as we like to relay good news and positive stories but sometimes something irks us so much, it just has to be shared.
As most of our followers will know, we have gone to considerable lengths, both time-wise and at significant cost, to ensure we are compliant and operating within the new laws following Brexit. We have obtained our EU type 2 licences to ensure we can continue to take pride in the effort we put into the job we do both in the U.K. and throughout Europe. Our vans are immaculate both inside and out and we limit the number of pets we transport to 5 at a time. So imagine our dismay when we witness first-hand the following scenarios at Eurotunnel Pet Reception, Calais this week:
1- the car park is full of Romanian, Polish and Bulgarian vans in disgusting condition both outside and in, loaded to the rafters with cages and dogs. Given what we know about the requirements for vans and transportation of pets to obtain a licence, it does beg the question how on earth these operators managed it. When we attempt to take a peek inside, the doors are quite deliberately closed to prevent us doing so.
2- while standing at the counter checking our pets in we overhear the conversation next to us (one of these drivers checking in a pet, held under his arm),
“are you the owner of this dog”
“Yes”
“So this is your pet?”
“Yes”
“What’s your name”
(Gives name)
“Ok, thank you, but before you go, this is the 5th time in the last 2-months you have checked in a different pet supposedly your own. I do not want to see you here again doing this at any time”
The driver returns to his van, only for another person to step out with a dog in tow, about to enter Pet Reception to do exactly the same. There were 3 or 4 people in the van doing this.
3- another driver enters Pet Reception with 17-dogs on board and proceeds to provide TRACES documents for all. Since Jan 1st 2021 we are being told that TRACES has now been replaced by IPAFFS, the new U.K. system for registering Imports to the U.K. of live animals. Not only were there only 13-TRACES documents, some were old, some obviously missing only to be replaced by passports. Apparently though, this was all acceptable to Eurotunnel who authorised all the dogs for transport to the U.K.
Now our question to Eurotunnel and to DEFRA/APHA is this - what on earth is the point of regulations and controls when quite clearly the staff at Pet Reception either have no comprehension of the rules or no minerals to enforce them? If we are to eradicate the illegal transportation of dogs from EU and non-EU member states then surely the best place to start is at the border? The reason these people check dogs in one by one as pets is because they do not have a licence to transport them. The reason they are evasive about what’s in their vans is because of the inhumane conditions under which they are transported. Please come out from behind your desks and take a look at what’s going on quite blatantly in your own car park Eurotunnel!
It shocks us that this is allowed to happen still given we are 3-months into the new year and the new rules. I urge everyone who follows us to share this message as many times as possible with as many people as possible in the hope it might one day land on the page of someone who has the power to do something about it. BBC Panorama would be a great starting point.
I also hope that it might draw on the conscience of anyone out there who is thinking of adopting a dog from abroad. By all means please don’t stop. However, if you are being quoted a very low price for its transportation, read above! It’s low because there are 20 or 30 dogs in the van. None get a walk, they all lie in their own urine and excrement for days at a time and are ‘cleaned’ upon arrival. None will be fed and they are given very little water. If you are looking at rehoming a dog to give it a better life, make sure it starts from when it leaves the rescue centre, not just from when it arrives at your door!
Rant over.

Follow up post:
Magnificent response to our last post. Thank you to everyone who has viewed and shared the post. Please don’t stop, keep up the good work. In less than 20-hours we have just under 10,000 views and 172 shares. The more that see and share the post, the more chance it may land on the right persons desk.
Just as an after thought, and this may well be the sceptic in me, could it be the case that in the immediate vicinity of Calais the kennels and shelters are full to the rafters and someone somewhere has made the decision to let as many commercial transportations cross to the U.K. to let us deal with the problem? I say this because one of the passports for one of the 5 dogs we brought back to the U.K. last Friday had a slight issue - the date of the microchip reading pre-dated the date of the passport, and our drivers were made to go to a local vet to get a new passport arranged, which obviously we did.
It just begs the question that Eurotunnel should be so particular with legitimate Pet Transporters bringing in genuine pets with passports yet commercial transporters get away with murder. ????
 

Keith_Beef

Novice equestrian, accomplished equichetrian
Joined
8 December 2017
Messages
11,857
Location
Seine et Oise, France
Visit site
Is Eurotunnel knowingly failing to adhere to UK law regarding imports of dogs? I believe that if a human passenger is allowed to board without the correct documentation, Eurotunnel is liable for taking the passenger back to where he or she came from. But dogs are brought in by the van-full? I take it there are no checks once these vans drive off the train at the UK side?
 
Last edited:

splashgirl45

Lurcher lover
Joined
6 March 2010
Messages
16,097
Location
suffolk
Visit site
i find the whole importing vast numbers of foreign dogs very worrying. there are so many of them coming in without the correct vet checks and suspicious passports... i think we need to think about the health of our own dogs when so many are arriving and are quite likely bringing disease. apart from that, what a terrible life for these dogs, many of them are terrified of people and to be put in a cage and sent on a long journey must be awful for them. i think its about time that proper facilities are set up to humanely PTS the old, crippled, blind dogs and the ones who will struggle to ever settle in a domestic setting. i know someone who has taken on a romanian rescue dog, she only saw a picture of it and it is terrified of everything and she is getting really worried that it will never be truly happy...very sad
 

Goldenstar

Well-Known Member
Joined
28 March 2011
Messages
46,941
Visit site
It’s a business I think we have been too lax about large number of foreign rescue dogs coming in .
You cannot but be affected by the poor little faces of the dogs you see on Facebook but I ask myself are we fuelling the issue by buying these dogs because that’s what happening you are buying a dog .
 

splashgirl45

Lurcher lover
Joined
6 March 2010
Messages
16,097
Location
suffolk
Visit site
exactly GS, they are being bought from a cute photo with no thought of what sort of temperament they are. many people dont know how to deal with a terrified dog, im not sure i would be confident even though i have owned dogs for over 50 years. i have chosen dogs that will fit in to my lifestyle and have given it a lot of thought before getting any dogs...on this forum everyone is always on about buying/rehoming the right dog for your ability and knowledge and circumstances but many of the imported dogs only know street life in a pack so its not surprising they run away as soon as they get the chance...i feel so sad for the dogs as they are being used as money making machines..
 

Goldenstar

Well-Known Member
Joined
28 March 2011
Messages
46,941
Visit site
I have had dogs all my life and I am good with dogs and I have looked at lab types in those facebook pictures and thought should I .
The people who have the caravan next to us got one from Italy because it looked like the dog they had years ago it’s a white fluffy dog , big strong , frightened obviously not used to a Uk home life , I don’t know the breed but he’s very guardy and very scared of humans they are terrified of him he’s had bitten them both he can’t have really meant it because if he had they would have been mauled .
They are completely unprepared for dealing with a dog like that and I just would not risk it .
I do understand though because you look at those faces on Facebook and you think could I should I .
But the truth is you are better to pay 2k for a Pearl - a puppy from a good small breeder, well socialised and handed over to you primed for a perfect life .
 

Nicnac

Well-Known Member
Joined
9 May 2007
Messages
8,332
Visit site
It's the idiots buying these dogs. They are born on puppy farms in Eastern Europe, bought for £100, transported to the UK in appalling conditions - often with parvo and other nasties and sold on to idiot Brits at £2-3000 a piece.

There was a piece on the news last night about the Eastern European puppy farms. Awful scenes. Supply and demand unfortunately and where there's a business opportunity people will exploit it.
 

CorvusCorax

'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Joined
15 January 2008
Messages
59,293
Location
End of the pier
Visit site
One of my friends was always ranting about the Tunnel and tried to avoid it because the staff were so picky, particularly on the French side.
I've never arrived at/got back from an event without hearing complaints about them being too tight/ridiculous about small things. So weird that it seems to be so lax now.
IME the checks on the dogs are always done before boarding. I can't remember if I've ever been checked disembarking or leaving a country etc.
 

Keith_Beef

Novice equestrian, accomplished equichetrian
Joined
8 December 2017
Messages
11,857
Location
Seine et Oise, France
Visit site
One of my friends was always ranting about the Tunnel and tried to avoid it because the staff were so picky, particularly on the French side.
I've never arrived at/got back from an event without hearing complaints about them being too tight/ridiculous about small things. So weird that it seems to be so lax now.
IME the checks on the dogs are always done before boarding. I can't remember if I've ever been checked disembarking or leaving a country etc.

It's odd... I've been through the tunnel in both directions many times and not noticed any unusual pickiness.

I've driven a rented Luton van from France to the UK to move a friend and am her belongings back to France. I've been through in a car with OH and kids and the car loaded to the roof with luggage, and I've taken the Eurostar train between Gare du Nord and Waterloo a dozen times, with both countries on various levels of terrorism alert and never had a problem. We've been pulled over to the side a few times for additional swabbing of the steering wheel, and for checking the underside, but nothing ever agreed more than five minutes to the time it took to get through.
 

MissTyc

Well-Known Member
Joined
25 June 2010
Messages
3,691
Location
South East
Visit site
I'm one of those people who has just imported/adopted a foreign dog. As per a previous thread, choosing a rescue was difficult as there are so many horror stories and I did not want to get caught up in a "scam" rescue. I didn't want a puppy, so that helped. I ended up choosing a UK outfit with full rescue back up in the UK. The biggest cost by far was a direct payment to the transport company. A Scottish/Spanish company who have only recently start doing the Easter European run as well. I was very pleased with the van, which was professionally designed - custom built cages of different sizes, air conditioned and ... no smell! I had the chip number and a scan of the passport in advance, and it all felt quite professional.
 

CorvusCorax

'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Joined
15 January 2008
Messages
59,293
Location
End of the pier
Visit site
It's odd... I've been through the tunnel in both directions many times and not noticed any unusual pickiness.

I've driven a rented Luton van from France to the UK to move a friend and am her belongings back to France. I've been through in a car with OH and kids and the car loaded to the roof with luggage, and I've taken the Eurostar train between Gare du Nord and Waterloo a dozen times, with both countries on various levels of terrorism alert and never had a problem. We've been pulled over to the side a few times for additional swabbing of the steering wheel, and for checking the underside, but nothing ever agreed more than five minutes to the time it took to get through.

Have you ever brought a dog, it's dog people I'm talking to/about.
 

Christmascinnamoncookie

Fais pas chier!
Joined
6 July 2010
Messages
36,329
Visit site
Someone I know came across 2 puppies in a flat the other day. The ‘owner’ seemed clueless and they were pooing everywhere. The chips came back to Romania. They did a bit of research to see if they could see a stolen ad before the chip came back. The prices for puppies, cross or pedigree, is OBSCENE!

I don‘t understand how the obviously bogus importers at Eurotunnel are getting away with this: why aren’t those checking going ‘Yeah, this is the 5th time, I’m refusing entry’?
 

MurphysMinder

Well-Known Member
Joined
20 November 2006
Messages
18,135
Location
Shropshire
Visit site
I work for a couple who foster pups for DT. Last year they had a Bernese pup who was illegally imported , this week they have a labrador pup again illegally imported , from Bulgaria. :mad:
 

FinnishLapphund

There's no cow on the ice
Joined
28 June 2008
Messages
11,741
Location
w(b)est coast of Sweden
Visit site
It's a disgrace that irresponsible rescues can get away with importing dogs in such ways. Why are they going in one by one, instead of all at once? Is it so nobody will hear that there's more dogs in the vehicle, than the ones they're taking in to the Eurotunnel Pet Reception?

I presume that some rescues already are, or will begin, doing what Online Romance Scammers do, steal pictures online, and present them as their own. But instead of saying this is me, they're saying this is how we ethically transport them to the UK.

What is the odds for that rescue person Z has only brought a new rescue dog over to the UK, when staff person Q have worked a shift at the Eurotunnel Pet Reception?
If bringing in five new dogs in only the last 2 months, wasn't enough for staff Q to be able to say "I'm not letting you through this time", what is the odds for that they'll actually refuse person Z entry if they do see Z trying to bring in yet another new dog, instead of saying "This is the sixth/seventh/... time I see you with yet another new dog claiming it's your own. I do not want to see you here again doing this at any time”?

Besides, how can you on beforehand tell for sure if an adult dog is a no longer wanted pet, a captured street dog, or an unsold puppy mill puppy who is now teenager/adult? How can you tell if a captured street dog will be happy as a pet?

I think that one of the negative things is that just like puppy mills doesn't care about the quality of the dogs they produce, without it's all about selling quantities, some rescues is the same, but for them it seems to be mainly about the quantities they can rehome. That they can say that they've saved this or that many lives, not whether the dogs is actually happy.
 

FinnishLapphund

There's no cow on the ice
Joined
28 June 2008
Messages
11,741
Location
w(b)est coast of Sweden
Visit site
I work for a couple who foster pups for DT. Last year they had a Bernese pup who was illegally imported , this week they have a labrador pup again illegally imported , from Bulgaria. :mad:

As puppy fosterers they really have no excuse. :mad: They should know how wrong it is with illegal imports, both because the transports conditions which the dogs have to endure, and the risk for that they could be transmitting diseases to the dogs, and other animals, already in the country.
 

Clodagh

Well-Known Member
Joined
17 August 2005
Messages
26,651
Location
Devon
Visit site
As puppy fosterers they really have no excuse. :mad: They should know how wrong it is with illegal imports, both because the transports conditions which the dogs have to endure, and the risk for that they could be transmitting diseases to the dogs, and other animals, already in the country.

I think they are fostering illegal pups that have been rescued by the Dogs Trust.
 
Top