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mymare
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This can't be for real?There's so much wrong in that post I don't know where to start!
Ahh. Really hope he finds a responsible home!! And please don't breed any more :S Please?
Yup - why breed then ?? MONEY *sigh*You should need a license to be able to breed horses in this day and age.
As I say, poor chap.
ALL of the above! How many foals will your mare have to produce before you're happy with what you've got? And what will happen to all the unwanteds?
And please leave gingers alone, my shetland is ginger and proud, also with matching collar and cuffs
Zebedee
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I'm just wondering if there would be such an outcry if the OP had been trying to breed a show pony & had got something that didn't move quite straight, or a something that had grown a bit too big?
I know that colour seems a very fickle reason, but studs move on stock all the time. The OP is offering this free to good home, & is going to do all she can to make sure whoever she offers him to it is just that.
As a matter of interest the four homebreds I have at home all came out the 'wrong' colour - Bay instead of black, bay instead of coloured, bay instead of buckskin, & orange instead of bay ! I have to say though colour was at not high on my list of priorities when I picked the stallions, but it would have been nice to have got my preference just once !
I do totally agree though that if you want something that specific you're better off buying than breeding.
I know that colour seems a very fickle reason, but studs move on stock all the time. The OP is offering this free to good home, & is going to do all she can to make sure whoever she offers him to it is just that.
As a matter of interest the four homebreds I have at home all came out the 'wrong' colour - Bay instead of black, bay instead of coloured, bay instead of buckskin, & orange instead of bay ! I have to say though colour was at not high on my list of priorities when I picked the stallions, but it would have been nice to have got my preference just once !
I do totally agree though that if you want something that specific you're better off buying than breeding.
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Trinity Fox
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Wasnt going to post on this but would love to know when you say trotting bred is this not for racing as would assume speed is the thing not colour?
We have pointers dont care about colour size vices as long as they can run.
And yes we do keep them afterwards have a grand collection of ancient tbs who are doing all sorts of other things in to thier twenties.
I buy and sell on and it ps me off when it is always good people who breed bad people who sell on i am very careful if i sell a horse on. I am small scale but always agree to take horse back if doesnt work out, i also send each horse with a book all my contact saying in case of need of long term field rest injury etc we will help with horse.
I also say in case of retiring if we are in a position we will consider and get in touch , there is that saying no good horse is a bad colour so not getting the whole bay no good thing.
At least the op is trying to find a good home would still like to hear a better explanation i thought trotters were bred to race it cant have been tried at this age,they are not show horse so surely if it is well bred it could turn out to be a world beater at what it is bred for?
If they are bred to do a job how has being a certain colour made this horse worthless?
We have pointers dont care about colour size vices as long as they can run.
And yes we do keep them afterwards have a grand collection of ancient tbs who are doing all sorts of other things in to thier twenties.
I buy and sell on and it ps me off when it is always good people who breed bad people who sell on i am very careful if i sell a horse on. I am small scale but always agree to take horse back if doesnt work out, i also send each horse with a book all my contact saying in case of need of long term field rest injury etc we will help with horse.
I also say in case of retiring if we are in a position we will consider and get in touch , there is that saying no good horse is a bad colour so not getting the whole bay no good thing.
At least the op is trying to find a good home would still like to hear a better explanation i thought trotters were bred to race it cant have been tried at this age,they are not show horse so surely if it is well bred it could turn out to be a world beater at what it is bred for?
If they are bred to do a job how has being a certain colour made this horse worthless?
Lollii
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I don't see the problem, the OP is doing her best to find a good home, it could make someone (who may not be able to aford to buy their own horse) really happy to get a foc horse to work with.
I would think about taking on a foc youngster for a project for myself to ride in the future, I have my own place/yard/land ... I expect by putting this thread 'out there' on HHO this little man will find a lovely home
I would think about taking on a foc youngster for a project for myself to ride in the future, I have my own place/yard/land ... I expect by putting this thread 'out there' on HHO this little man will find a lovely home
Wagtail
Horse servant
Hang on. Though I too am disappointed with the fact that the OP is getting rid because of colour, I think the reaction against them is rather OTT. No one would bat an eye if she simply said she was SELLING the colt without giving a reason. It is because she is GIVING it away and has been honest about why that she has attracted so much objection. I am not saying that she is right in what she has done. Personally I would never breed a horse I didn't want to keep myself, but people breed and sell horses all the time for all kinds of reasons and I don't see an uproar about it. Personally, I think it is awful the way some people seem to change their horse every few years like a car, but I don't see a fuss being made about it. I suppose what I am saying is that there are a few double standards in the horse world.
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
What's the betting the mare's in foal again?
Trinity Fox
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Again as didnt answer after my first post trotters are bred to race how does colour if this horse is well bred as has been stated make it worthless?
Could it not be the next trotting champion even if bay, i know nothing about this sport we point but would love to know how this works.
Could it not be the next trotting champion even if bay, i know nothing about this sport we point but would love to know how this works.
LaurenM
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For those that state that they see little wrong - you seem to miss the point entirely. There are too many unwanted horses out there, sanctuaries are rammed full. There was at least 200 horses roaming free to breed in bridgend, south glamorgan alone just a few weeks ago. Foals are being sold for as little as £1 at some auctions near me - good bloodlines or not. Surprisingly enough they end up at the meat man's door.
It's the whole trend of people breeding in general that I disagree with whilst the market is flooded unless THEY THEMSELVES can offer a home for life. No good home can ever be guaranteed when selling.
It's the whole trend of people breeding in general that I disagree with whilst the market is flooded unless THEY THEMSELVES can offer a home for life. No good home can ever be guaranteed when selling.
friesian80
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Absolutely agree with this, surely if you want a specific horse you should go buy it instead of breeding till you get what you want?
pinball
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ok going to ask a question,would you prefered she sold him to a home where they wanted a trotter for speed and he didn't make there grade or was unsuitable and then just left in afield and ignored.Or she asked on a respected site if anyone would like him free to good home,i have a trotter (standbred that didn't do what the owners wanted and he was left in a field for 3 years this was the result
he has great breeding but that means nothing,and coloured standerdbreds don't fetch anymore money unless it's a mare or stallion with outstanding breeding and a proven STAGBI recored in this country.
he has great breeding but that means nothing,and coloured standerdbreds don't fetch anymore money unless it's a mare or stallion with outstanding breeding and a proven STAGBI recored in this country.
Trinity Fox
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Ok to Pinball above if they dont fetch anymore money whether coloured or not without being a good mare or stallion with good STAGBI record if thats right still the question why is this horse or young un worth so little when supposedly well bred no record as too young to have one.
If this kind of youngstock is untried and colour is not an issue is there another reason this op would feel the youngster is worthless.
If this kind of youngstock is untried and colour is not an issue is there another reason this op would feel the youngster is worthless.
jhoward
Demon exorcist...
no pinball it would be better if people were not so bloody minded that when the foal is the wrong damn colour they didnt throw it out to the wolves!
the point we are all making is the op is discarding the foal cause its not the colour she wanted IMO she has no idea of genetics or responsibilty let alone care of love of a animal. further more she is a class example of why back yard breeders shouldnt be allowed to do it!
Cedars
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I really don't see the issue-what if it hadnt made the right height would you all be up in arms then?
My only comment is that you should get him cut, and then ask a price for him. I think free to a good home encourages certain types of people. Xxx
My only comment is that you should get him cut, and then ask a price for him. I think free to a good home encourages certain types of people. Xxx
Fuzznugget
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So how is it any different to a breeder that breeds to sell, but if they get a specific colour horse they will be keeping it? Example: say a Friesian breeder has a mare that is recessive for the red gene and breeds it to a stallion who also carries said gene, hoping for a red foal. IF the foal is red, it will be kept. If black, it is for sale. Would you consider that to be throwing the foal to the wolves?
What flamehead said!
xBumblebeex
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I do understand that it seems sad to let a foal go because it is not the right colour.
When any animal that is sold on, unless you know the people personally you will never be sure that it is going to the right home.
I think loaning is just as bad TBH as I have seen ponies/horses passed from pillar to post, and not being looked after. Having said that I know there are many fantastic loaners out there, as there are owners.
What annoys me with this, is that people sell for lots of reasons. LIKE! It doesn,t Jump high enough! It doesn't go fast enough! or it goes to fast! Or maybe it does not win enough Rosettes so they must get something better. Or the rider has just outgrown their beloved friend.
I do not agree with it! but come on, horses get sold on everyday because they do not suit their owners requirements!
When any animal that is sold on, unless you know the people personally you will never be sure that it is going to the right home.
I think loaning is just as bad TBH as I have seen ponies/horses passed from pillar to post, and not being looked after. Having said that I know there are many fantastic loaners out there, as there are owners.
What annoys me with this, is that people sell for lots of reasons. LIKE! It doesn,t Jump high enough! It doesn't go fast enough! or it goes to fast! Or maybe it does not win enough Rosettes so they must get something better. Or the rider has just outgrown their beloved friend.
I do not agree with it! but come on, horses get sold on everyday because they do not suit their owners requirements!
Sue C
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Sue C
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after reading all the comments if you are going to bred and not want it, you should at least give it the best start in live even if you are GIVING it away. By now it should have been weaned (Im sure the mare would appreicate it off her, handled, YOU should get it gelded.
I bred a foal 27 years ago who did not make the height I wanted but she has not been passed from pillar to post, she has stayed with me in the same home.
There are so many unwanted ponies that often end up dead in a field as no one cares or can be bothered. There was a poor coloured towed behind a car in Surrey and left for dead as to weak to get up.
PLEASE stop breding unless you really want to keep it NO MATTER WHAT YOU GET.
I bred a foal 27 years ago who did not make the height I wanted but she has not been passed from pillar to post, she has stayed with me in the same home.
There are so many unwanted ponies that often end up dead in a field as no one cares or can be bothered. There was a poor coloured towed behind a car in Surrey and left for dead as to weak to get up.
PLEASE stop breding unless you really want to keep it NO MATTER WHAT YOU GET.
Tinypony
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My last post on this thread.
Breeders breed colts and sell them on because they don't fit into their breeding programme. I can accept that, although in my personal opinion there are too many sub-standard uncut colts being sold and often I think that the breeders would be more responsible to have them cut before sale. This does not happen as often as it should, some breeders see the colts as an unwanted by-product of their business and therefore want to spend as little money on them as they can. Even without gelding they often stand to make a loss.
People who sell horses for significantly low price or give them away for free put the horse at risk right from the start. There have been plenty of threads on here that clearly demonstrate this. However nice and reliable people appear when they visit, even if they take the current owner to see a lovely new home, there is no way of telling that they are not an unscrupulous buyer out to make a quick buck. In my own personal experience:
A friend who sold her "project" ridden horse for £400, only to be devastated to hear he was quickly sold on and ended up on a dealer's website for £2,000. Because of his ridden issues his prospects if sold as a regular riding horse looked bleak.
An Arab mare px'd for £300. I raced to the dealer and quickly put a deposit on her because she hadn't even been backed and they were trying to ride her. The dealer freely admitted that she had been going on the lorry for the auction because she could make a profit on her by selling her for meat value. She's living happy and safe with my friend who spent her new car money to pay the balance of meat value to the dealer.
A lady on a discussion group who took a horse for free to give him a "home for life" and sold him for £2,500.
There are others, but the last is one that some of us here are aware of, the woman who takes retired, unsound or just cheap horses out of "kindness" when owners can't keep them any more and a week later they are gone. On a big lorry on a one-way trip.
The sad fact is that sometimes horses given away free or for peanuts land on their feet (I have two). However, there is a significant risk that unscrupulous people will become involved. If a horse is being sold for a realistic price then you can at least hope that it won't be purchased by someone more interested in moving it on for a profit than giving it a good home.
I also stand by my statement that anyone breeding on a small scale for whom colour is the over-riding factor in keeping the foal would be better off going out and buying the colour they want than risking bringing yet another unwanted equine into the world.
Breeders breed colts and sell them on because they don't fit into their breeding programme. I can accept that, although in my personal opinion there are too many sub-standard uncut colts being sold and often I think that the breeders would be more responsible to have them cut before sale. This does not happen as often as it should, some breeders see the colts as an unwanted by-product of their business and therefore want to spend as little money on them as they can. Even without gelding they often stand to make a loss.
People who sell horses for significantly low price or give them away for free put the horse at risk right from the start. There have been plenty of threads on here that clearly demonstrate this. However nice and reliable people appear when they visit, even if they take the current owner to see a lovely new home, there is no way of telling that they are not an unscrupulous buyer out to make a quick buck. In my own personal experience:
A friend who sold her "project" ridden horse for £400, only to be devastated to hear he was quickly sold on and ended up on a dealer's website for £2,000. Because of his ridden issues his prospects if sold as a regular riding horse looked bleak.
An Arab mare px'd for £300. I raced to the dealer and quickly put a deposit on her because she hadn't even been backed and they were trying to ride her. The dealer freely admitted that she had been going on the lorry for the auction because she could make a profit on her by selling her for meat value. She's living happy and safe with my friend who spent her new car money to pay the balance of meat value to the dealer.
A lady on a discussion group who took a horse for free to give him a "home for life" and sold him for £2,500.
There are others, but the last is one that some of us here are aware of, the woman who takes retired, unsound or just cheap horses out of "kindness" when owners can't keep them any more and a week later they are gone. On a big lorry on a one-way trip.
The sad fact is that sometimes horses given away free or for peanuts land on their feet (I have two). However, there is a significant risk that unscrupulous people will become involved. If a horse is being sold for a realistic price then you can at least hope that it won't be purchased by someone more interested in moving it on for a profit than giving it a good home.
I also stand by my statement that anyone breeding on a small scale for whom colour is the over-riding factor in keeping the foal would be better off going out and buying the colour they want than risking bringing yet another unwanted equine into the world.
mcnaughty
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Absolutely agree with all of this. Get it cut and ask the vet bill price for the young lad. Cannot get why you would not want to cover your expenses at least. It sort of feels like you have more money than sense to not bother trying to get something back. Next time though - check the genetics so you don't waste your time again. If the animal is as well bred as said then it is hardly likely to end up on the scrap heap.
Some on here are going completely OTT - "throwing in out to the wolves" was a classic comment - OP, do you live near a safari park?
binkymerlin
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yeeeeeeea OP isnt replying, i dont think they are interested in what has to be said morally. I think someone has possibly pm'd OP and is going to see him? No i dont know anything and its not me! Alltho i do wish i had a chance AND money to comfortably afford another as he sounds fab! I dont think OP is interested in what anyones got to say, just interested in finding him a home. Anyhoo i do hope he finds a nice home, hopefully someone off here will take him and keep us updated on his progress... Ps i know my spelling is awful but i usually check. As im on my phone i cant and dont know how to turn on my spell check :-0 lol!
navaho
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As regards the comments of why the foal is of so little value, while racing yes it possibly would be worth a bit, but a standie that isnt raced are very often totally unwanted by the general public as a riding horse. Go to any sale across the country & you will see what i mean, you can buy one riding for under 200gn, people really just do not want them, sadly they often end up on the meat lorry. So how much do you think a foal is really worth, colour does to a certain extent make them more desirable with some people, but a bog stand bay thing isnt really going to catch the eye. I hope the OP does stand by her word & find him a lovely home, who ever has him will be very lucky, they are lovely horse & very under rated IMO.
pip6
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Personally, if I was in OP's position I would pay to cut him & then sell him for an accurate value, which should cover cutting & advertising, to what I deemed to be a generous home. I do get suspicious of freebies advertised on her that it is a way to advertise (sorry but that is what it is) without having to pay for it & risk loosing money.
I can understand the colt is not what the OP desires, therefore wants is choosing to offer him. People buy & sell horses, not many people on this forum own horses they have bred so someone had to breed to sell to them. I do agree totally there is indisriminate breeding of low quality animals that needs to be addressed & I totally disagree with it, reaching the happy medium is very difficult. Horses involve money, & wherever people think they can make money then principles disappear.
The thing that really gets to me about this is that someone has bred for colour. If the colt was bred for performance, the colour would be irrelevant. Personally, give me the choice between horse will perform (such as in this case win races) & one that is coloured but slower, I'd know which I'd choose. Colour is a minor characteristic compared to things such as conformation, soundness, ability etc.
P.S. my young arab is a ginger (the colour I least want to have), but she was bred to perform so I happy with her & can't wait to compete on her. Maybe the next fashion will be to breed for 'go faster stripes'?
I can understand the colt is not what the OP desires, therefore wants is choosing to offer him. People buy & sell horses, not many people on this forum own horses they have bred so someone had to breed to sell to them. I do agree totally there is indisriminate breeding of low quality animals that needs to be addressed & I totally disagree with it, reaching the happy medium is very difficult. Horses involve money, & wherever people think they can make money then principles disappear.
The thing that really gets to me about this is that someone has bred for colour. If the colt was bred for performance, the colour would be irrelevant. Personally, give me the choice between horse will perform (such as in this case win races) & one that is coloured but slower, I'd know which I'd choose. Colour is a minor characteristic compared to things such as conformation, soundness, ability etc.
P.S. my young arab is a ginger (the colour I least want to have), but she was bred to perform so I happy with her & can't wait to compete on her. Maybe the next fashion will be to breed for 'go faster stripes'?
zippo
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Is he from the"Snowflake"family?
Frisky Filly
New User
In regards to all you who had replied with negative comments!! get off your high horses!!!
in this climate who can afford to keep something that is just laying around?
i am a proud yet skint owner of two TBs they cost me a fortune but i do it! if i wasn such a sucker to my oldest boy he would of been loaned out or sold as he does not have a purpose to me apart from eating expensive feed and endless money on rugs!!
you see foals/mares/geldings sitting neglected in fields day after day because there careless owners cant afford them...at lest this woman (gypseycob) has taken the chance to try and find someone through here to give this little lad a good home! maybe she thought you lot would give her some help or offers but no you shot her down like she was a clay pigeon. Some of the comments you bunch of PMTs came out with were ridiculous!!
i love my two Babys very much and all horses big and small bay or grey but the way you ,lot were going on made me laugh seemed as if you had nuffin better to do that make a fool of some one!! i feel sorry for your husbands && and horses.
reli i mean come on? it was unneeded and you made yourselves look stupid..it is a fact of life that horses are bred for a purpose whether it b for colour or ability!
Both mine are ex-racers who were going for meat money because they werent fast enough..but hey ho they have a forever home now!!
At least one breeder is being responsible for their offspring! so give this lady a chance ffs.
and that is my thought on the thread!!!
in this climate who can afford to keep something that is just laying around?
i am a proud yet skint owner of two TBs they cost me a fortune but i do it! if i wasn such a sucker to my oldest boy he would of been loaned out or sold as he does not have a purpose to me apart from eating expensive feed and endless money on rugs!!
you see foals/mares/geldings sitting neglected in fields day after day because there careless owners cant afford them...at lest this woman (gypseycob) has taken the chance to try and find someone through here to give this little lad a good home! maybe she thought you lot would give her some help or offers but no you shot her down like she was a clay pigeon. Some of the comments you bunch of PMTs came out with were ridiculous!!
i love my two Babys very much and all horses big and small bay or grey but the way you ,lot were going on made me laugh seemed as if you had nuffin better to do that make a fool of some one!! i feel sorry for your husbands && and horses.
reli i mean come on? it was unneeded and you made yourselves look stupid..it is a fact of life that horses are bred for a purpose whether it b for colour or ability!
Both mine are ex-racers who were going for meat money because they werent fast enough..but hey ho they have a forever home now!!
At least one breeder is being responsible for their offspring! so give this lady a chance ffs.
and that is my thought on the thread!!!
pip6
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FF, your racers weren't fast enough. What I find so hard is that this colt was bred to trot & is being passed on as his colour is wrong. That is the bit that is not easy to understand.
xBumblebeex
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Well said ff!
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Damnation
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Threads like this are what puts me off HHO.
The gang mentality.
I see no problem with what the OP is doing. Yes have him cut and then ask a price to say cover vets fees and mare covering.
At the end of the day if its not the colour she needs its her perrogative.
Yes I know there is alot of unnescisarry breeding in this country but at the end of the day its not our decision as to what the OP does.
You can supply and campaign the information but throwing it down peoples throats is different. This is but one foal of MANY bred in the UK every year.
What difference will it make to jump down this persons throat? Surely you would be better off targetting people who breed 10-15 foals a year not just one.
The gang mentality.
I see no problem with what the OP is doing. Yes have him cut and then ask a price to say cover vets fees and mare covering.
At the end of the day if its not the colour she needs its her perrogative.
Yes I know there is alot of unnescisarry breeding in this country but at the end of the day its not our decision as to what the OP does.
You can supply and campaign the information but throwing it down peoples throats is different. This is but one foal of MANY bred in the UK every year.
What difference will it make to jump down this persons throat? Surely you would be better off targetting people who breed 10-15 foals a year not just one.
Wagtail
Horse servant
Quite agree. Too many people prepared to jump down people's throats. Maybe the OP had not considered the problem caused by offering free horses? Therefore a kinder response would have been justified. Advising her rather than berating her. By shouting at people who don't do things the way we would like, we only end up chasing them away rather than educating and enlightening them. So a little more empathy, eh, ladies?
Rollin
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A good friend of mine who is quite a well known Coachman, bought many Friesan Carriage Horses from Holland for the film industry. He told me the Dutch had a rigorous culling policy. Foals who carried white were euthanaised.
There is a chestnut gene within the Cleveland Bay - Baydale has a Chestnut CB called Arthur he could not be registered in the CB stud book as he did not meet 'breed standard' this rule also applied to pure bred CB's with a white foot.
Rules have recently changed but for CB and Friesan breeders colour does matter.