Friesian value

[[127815]]

I have a AA ster gelding well bred and registered.
He's 16hh and 6yrs old we've had him out doing some unaffiliated dressage and has been well schooled etc.
He recently failed a 5 star vetting on his hocks apparently lame on back hocks. We don't see anything. Previous owner also said he has a bone cyst.
All tack and rugs included what would a fair price be to sell this boy. We really aren't sure now what he would be worth.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

If his still lame his not worth very much at all have you had the hocks looked at and treated?

 

[[127815]]

If his still lame his not worth very much at all have you had the hocks looked at and treated?

He's not noticeably lame at all we were all surprised when it came up on the vetting. Very fit and able young horse.
Haven't investigated is hocks as yet.
If it was arthritis or something similar what would a fair price be?
I know how to value most horses with any issues but friesians at this breeding do cost a lot so finding it very difficult to value him.

 

[Snowfilly]

If he’s still lame, probably £500 as a fixer upper project for someone who’s willing to put him down if he doesn’t come right and has the money to do it without insurance because those back legs won’t be covered now.

What does your vet say about treatment / prognosis?

And he’s a gelding so he’s got no breeding value.

 

[ycbm]

Unless you can get a diagnosis, treatment and prognosis that gives him a good prospect of a competitive career, then I'm afraid his breeding will mean nothing now, since he's a gelding.

Without a good prognosis, and particularly so without a diagnosis, he's worth very little.

With a good prognosis and sound after treatment, maybe a few thousand in a good market.
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[[127815]]

If he’s still lame, probably £500 as a fixer upper project for someone who’s willing to put him down if he doesn’t come right and has the money to do it without insurance because those back legs won’t be covered now.

What does your vet say about treatment / prognosis?

And he’s a gelding so he’s got no breeding value.

He's not noticeably lame at all. I understand some horses with arthritis can go many years untreated I had an ISH who had hock arthritis but you'd never know. Doesn't affect him what so ever. Id say with a passed vetting he would (going by the market) be worth 25k so obviously be substantialy lower. But £500 is really not an accurate valuation as lesser horses are being sold at £2k with worse health issues.

 

[[127815]]

Unless you can get a diagnosis, treatment and prognosis that gives him a good prospect of a competitive career, then I'm afraid his breeding will mean nothing now, since he's a gelding.

Without a good prognosis, and particularly so without a diagnosis, he's worth very little.

With a good prognosis and sound after treatment, maybe a few thousand in a good market.
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Yes so say prognosis is good for a riding career but maybe not at the top what would you say? I'll definitely get his hocks xrayed for peace of mind for everyone. I fully accept if its a bad prognosis then the £500 would be acceptable!

 

[TheMule]

I don’t know the market for friesians, but I'd be amazed if you could get anywhere near 25k for a rising 7yr old who has done a bit of unaff dressage with a vet history of a bone cyst. He'd need to be competing medium, training Advanced Medium and showing good potential to go further as his breed is quite marmite so a very limited field of potential purchasers.
Add in bilateral hock issues (presumably picked up on flexion?) and you're talking not much money, but maybe up to 5k if investigated, treated and fully disclosed, to the right person.

 

[Palindrome]

I would say 2-3k.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Was the 25k a typo? Did you really mean that you valued him at £25,000 pre the vetting picking up issues?

I’d be thinking that £5k would be a very good price to get for him with diagnosed and treatable bilateral hock issues.

 

[AmyMay]

A vet picked up some lam. First thing is to get it investigated, surely?

 

[[127815]]

Yes the price of friesians are ridiculous. If you have a look at the maret online most are 20k plus. One with a dressage history up to 50k it is imo crazy

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

I would err on the side of meat value without any further investigations to pin down exactly what the lameness issue is and what the likely prognosis is for his future.. His back legs will not now be insurable under any circumstances, ever. Who is going to buy him and risk spending many thousands of pounds treating a horse that still might not come sound. You may not see anything but a professional has, and seen clearly enough to fail your horse as fit for purpose.

I am sorry if that sounds a bit harsh but you have to be realistic here. Personally I would never have valued him as high as 25,000 anyway, he is a gelding with no breeding potential and has done very little. Your valuation is for a horse that is already out there showing huge promise and already very successful in the competitive field which he is not. And a full bred Friesian is not the most popular competition horse anyway, beautiful though he may well be.

Perhaps get all investigations and possible treatment done and then re advertise at a more realistic price as a happy hacker, if the outcome at least leaves him sound enough to do that.

 

[dapple_grey]

Quite shocked that you're still trying to flog the poor animal when it's lame on both back legs tbh. Very irresponsible imo. Saying you can't see the lameness doesn't mean a thing, you're not a vet.

 

[Cortez]

I would err on the side of meat value without any further investigations to pin down exactly what the lameness issue is and what the likely prognosis is for his future.. His back legs will not now be insurable under any circumstances, ever. Who is going to buy him and risk spending many thousands of pounds treating a horse that still might not come sound. You may not see anything but a professional has, and seen clearly enough to fail your horse as fit for purpose.

I am sorry if that sounds a bit harsh but you have to be realistic here. Personally I would never have valued him as high as 25,000 anyway, he is a gelding with no breeding potential and has done very little. Your valuation is for a horse that is already out there showing huge promise and already very successful in the competitive field which he is not. And a full bred Friesian is not the most popular competition horse anyway, beautiful though he may well be.

Perhaps get all investigations and possible treatment done and then re advertise at a more realistic price as a happy hacker, if the outcome at least leaves him sound enough to do that.

I agree with this, except that the market prices for Friesians (sound) are indeed quite astounding, and €25,000 is not by any means an unusual amount to be asking. As he is, and presuming further investigation shows up issues, you should be very pleased to get £2K.

 

[[127815]]

Really the friesian market is completely different. We had interest and a potential buyer at 25k just to prove that he was valued correctly
I'll get his hocks investigated and go from there I certainly don't want to over price him hense the ask but I really need ppl who deal with the friesian breed I reckon to give me the best answer.
Will see what vet comes up with then re ask

 

[[127815]]

Quite shocked that you're still trying to flog the poor animal when it's lame on both back legs tbh. Very irresponsible imo. Saying you can't see the lameness doesn't mean a thing, you're not a vet.

Always one how am I trying to flog him? I'm asking for a fair price he is very fit and rideable just came up as showing lameness in a 5 star vetting

 

[Cortez]

Really the friesian market is completely different. We had interest and a potential buyer at 25k just to prove that he was valued correctly
I'll get his hocks investigated and go from there I certainly don't want to over price him hense the ask but I really need ppl who deal with the friesian breed I reckon to give me the best answer.
Will see what vet comes up with then re ask

I have had nothing but Spanish and Friesian horses for the past 25 years; I'm quite familiar with the market, both in the UK and in Holland. And US too.

As for below >>> If he is lame on a vetting, he is fundamentally NOT fit and rideable.....at least not by responsible people.

he is very fit and rideable just came up as showing lameness in a 5 star vetting

 

[dapple_grey]

Always one how am I trying to flog him? I'm asking for a fair price he is very fit and rideable just came up as showing lameness in a 5 star vetting

How is he fit and rideable if he's lame?

 

[[127815]]

I'm closing this post what a stupid question!

 

[dapple_grey]

I'll get his hocks investigated and go from there

Glad to hear

 

[irishdraft]

I don't know anything about the Friesian market but if a horse is lame then most people would not consider him very fit & rideable x

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Really the friesian market is completely different. We had interest and a potential buyer at 25k just to prove that he was valued correctly
I'll get his hocks investigated and go from there I certainly don't want to over price him hense the ask but I really need ppl who deal with the friesian breed I reckon to give me the best answer.
Will see what vet comes up with then re ask

Perhaps it might be more helpful then if you can find a Friesian specific forum or facebook page if the answers you are getting on here do not suit your agenda..

 

[marmalade76]

I'm closing this post what a stupid question!

You have to ask admin if you want to close a post here and I doubt very much they will bother to close this one.

 

[9tails]

How did you think this was going to go? You're obviously looking for a price in order to sell him. I don't go round asking people what my horse is worth, because she's not for sale and never will be. He's not going to make your £25k mark, you'll be lucky with £2k. You could price below market value and wait for a buyer who doesn't insist on a vetting.

But we're a pretty salty bunch, if your horse is lame (despite not looking it) we suggest investigation rather than lowering the price to offload the horse.

 

[teddy_]

Ultimately, regardless of whether the individual understands the "Friesian market" or not, no one can give a ballpark valuation without a clinical diagnosis, treatment plan and prognosis. Saying the horse is "lame on his hocks" is ambiguous, at best - his hocks could be the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Just dawned on me who (or rather 'we' as OP refers to) this is posting and why. Say no more and don't waste your energy trying to give advice etc. Poster will do what they were intending to do anyway without any pointless input from us.

 

[Surbie]

When you know what the issues actually are you might be able to get a better idea of price. At the moment, with a vetting failure and lameness found but not investigated, he's not worth that much, imo. I'd want to know what the issue, treatment plan and prognosis are before considering a purchase.

And you'll have to take into account, as others have said, that your young horse won't be insurable for those issues, may need ongoing treatment to sustain a riding career comfortably and may have a much shorter ridden career - things that (imo) people are more accepting of in older horses and less so in younger ones.

 

[Glitter's fun]

OP's name now replaced by a number??

 

[Surbie]

OP's name now replaced by a number??

I think they may have flounced.