Full Livery Expectations

[Luci07]

There are quite a few yards in our area which have had to close down as the YO's just can't make ends meet. In the entire chain, YO, livery, land owner, feed supplier, etc etc.. i just wonder sometimes who does make money? and I don't have the answers either. There is definitely a point whereby renting a small yard with friends is going to be the only way forward.

 

[martlin]

£600pcm a month for 5 day full livery would not only give a profit margin, it would give the yard money for reinvestment.

I charge £370 for this currently

T-Bag, £370 for 5day full? are you mad? What do you eat, beans on toast?
I'm doing OK profit wise, although can't really afford to invest in the facilities much and I charge
5day part, which means DIY weekends and all basic care week days, no grooming or exercise - £340 pcm
7day part - £385pcm
5day full, which includes exercise and brush off, occasional tack clean but no schooling - £495
7day full - £560
and schooling is £750
all feed, 2 bags of bedding a week and ad lib forage is included, but they all have to be on the same brand of feed so I can buy in bulk, otherwise I ain't doing it, lol.

 

[T-Bag]

T-Bag, £370 for 5day full? are you mad? What do you eat, beans on toast?
I'm doing OK profit wise, although can't really afford to invest in the facilities much and I charge
5day part, which means DIY weekends and all basic care week days, no grooming or exercise - £340 pcm
7day part - £385pcm
5day full, which includes exercise and brush off, occasional tack clean but no schooling - £495
7day full - £560
and schooling is £750
all feed, 2 bags of bedding a week and ad lib forage is included, but they all have to be on the same brand of feed so I can buy in bulk, otherwise I ain't doing it, lol.

I eat because I have a well paid day job, when I am in work!!

however, my 5 day full is your 5 day part, so its you that is cheap!
my 7 day full or part for you funny southerners is 440

I noticed a brand new livery yard in crewe open up doing 7 day full (part) for £143pw, but within weeks has gone down to £130pw which is still dearer than anything else in Cheshire!

 

[T-Bag]

Very true. However, although I have no money, and do get incredibly frustrated at times when people tell me that livery is too expensive, it's all worth it when I get texts from my liveries like the one I got this morning, which read - "Thank you so much for having Murphy, he looks so much better and feels like a different horse to ride. He's happier, healthier, and my son is enjoying having a horse again!". That made me sob.

Also when liveries are lovely enough to club together for Christmas presents for me. That's so kind, as I never expect anything from them.

You clearly do a good job chuck, but where will the money come from when something breaks, extra drainage has to go in, or tractor is knackered.

you are leaving yourself no margin, that said I only have that margin if I am full, which I am not!

 

[[69117]]

You clearly do a good job chuck, but where will the money come from when something breaks, extra drainage has to go in, or tractor is knackered.

you are leaving yourself no margin, that said I only have that margin if I am full, which I am not!

Thank you very much, I hope my liveries think I do!

I have a margin - I have a recently ex-army OH, who has a well paid job as a game keeper, and is looking at going into an even more well paid job as a close protection security guard.

The yard pays for all our bills, rent, food, dogs, horses etc. and his job pays into savings accounts and is the "oh ****" fund!

 

[martlin]

I eat because I have a well paid day job, when I am in work!!

however, my 5 day full is your 5 day part, so its you that is cheap!
my 7 day full or part for you funny southerners is 440

I noticed a brand new livery yard in crewe open up doing 7 day full (part) for £143pw, but within weeks has gone down to £130pw which is still dearer than anything else in Cheshire!

Oi, did you just call me cheap?!!!
And well, yes, I suppose I am a bit south from you, although I'm neither the cheapest nor the most expensive yard in the area and obviously not trying to make a living out of horses alone

 

[T-Bag]

Oi, did you just call me cheap?!!!
And well, yes, I suppose I am a bit south from you, although I'm neither the cheapest nor the most expensive yard in the area and obviously not trying to make a living out of horses alone

Yes you are a farm as well aren't you? grow your own straw and haylage as well?

sadly I have to buy all my in, there is another issue which keep costs high.

make a living, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Daytona]

i pay £390 per month that includes

Bring in and turn out
Muck out
change rugs
Haylage or hay

I have to pay for bedding and make up my own feeds and i provide the foods too. i have to hold for vet farrier etc, i could pay £430 and they would hold for appointments and pick out his feet. hose legs etc.

We have a 20 x 60 mirrored out door
a full size indoor
a jumping paddock

there is about 15 horses on the yard approx, so its fab as school always free.

 

[martlin]

Yes you are a farm as well aren't you? grow your own straw and haylage as well?

sadly I have to buy all my in, there is another issue which keep costs high.

make a living, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

We don't use straw for horses, every blade goes for the stock, so I buy the bedding in, but I deep litter Buy in some haylage as can't make enough, but obviously have some home grown, every little helps The business rates relief is a big helper.
That and the fact that we farm, have the yard and OH runs an accountancy practice... hell, lets be honest, the accountancy practice makes us the living

 

[Lark]

I firmly believe that to make a living in this business it needs to be
Livery plus something else.
Livery + Farming
Livery + Riding School/Coaching
Livery + Dealing
Livery + Facility hire/Training centre
Livery + another job

For every new stable you fill or build there is always more work to do which is either absorbed through the YO with additional work or added to labour costs.

Although we farm too we are putting our full focus on facilities (arenas/xc etc) for liveries/schooling/clinics/privates/shows etc
With all other options labour costs are directly proportional to the expansion.

And sure there is alway reincarnation to look forward to if all else fails

 

[SO1]

Herts is an expensive county and the nearer to London you are and if you have turnout all year it will be more expensive.

It is not clear if you are getting paid for working on the yard at the weekends and if you are also doing your own horse at weekends. If you are not paid for the weekend work and also doing your own horse at the weekends I would say £120 a week is expensive.

If you are getting paid for the work you do at the weekend which includes the time spent doing your own horse as well then £120 a week is reasonable.

Bearing in mind DIY livery in the area is about £33 a week and then on top of that you have hay at about £5 a bale and feed say at least 50p per day if is an ecomony feed plus one bale of bedding if shavings £9 you are looking at about £55 a week before you add on any labour costs. If they charge £10 a day for CI, TO, muck out, make feeds and haynets, fill up water buckets, pick out hooves and check horse is ok and be there for farrier or vet that would bring weekly cost to about £125 a week for 7 day livery.

 

[PandorasJar]

^ in my muppetness I read it as month earlier. Reading it properly... I'd say that's a fair price or slightly less than average around here.
Sorry!

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Hi everyone,

What are your expectations from a full livery yard with regards to care and facilities? My livery bill is going up to £120 per week and in this current climate I'm not sure I can afford to own a horse anymore, especially when it means I can't afford to go out and about with my horse. So I wondered how much other people pay for full livery and what it includes? However the other side of this is that I have complete peace of mind where he is now. Sorry I'm gabbling now so I'll go and do some work!
x

I am old school who believes *FULL LIVERY* is just that

• fed am
• mucked out
• hayed
• water
• brought in
• brush off
• feet picked out
• fed pm
• use of facilities
• tack cleaned at least4-5 times a week
• horse ridden

the ONLY thing not included is wormer
and First aid

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

full livery here (cheshire) - 85-90 a week! thats expensive to me !

expensive???


use of facilities
electric
water
stable rent
labour
feed
bedding
insurance
staff wages
gas
lights in the school
tractor maintenance
field maintenance
school maintenance
and more

£ 12 .85P per day???


how can all the above be covered by £12 .85??

Sorry It cost more than that per day in costs per horse







sorry my part livery is £ 90 per week

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south cheshire ive seen full for 55 a week (inc everything)!

full livery = all jobs - (feed/bedding.hay etc included - but basic feed) NO exercise... thats probably the difference??

i dont class full livery as exercise included.........![/QUOTE]

sorry from the 1980's I have been taught that full livery is just that exercise 3 -4 times per week included otherwise its part livery

part livery everything included except for riding and tack cleaning.




£ 55 per week you say ??? £ 7.85 per day well then

lets dissect this say 1 horse 16 hhs per day

1/2 a bale of hay per day £ 2
known brand of feed feed £ 2 per feed x 2 £ 4
1 bale bedding per week @ £ 10 £ 1.42

just these alone is over what you are paying
sorry a yard cannot survive on £ 7 per day per horse

Sorry you have no clue in the costings of running a yard per day / week/month/year

 

[cm2581]

When people say this to me I always remind them that my prices include ALL bedding, hard feed and hay/haylage. Add up what that would cost you per month, then take that off your bill. The rest includes all labour (I am on the yard at 4:30am every morning, and do late checks at 10:30pm, so that's a lot of hours), maintenance of the yard and land, maintenance of facilities, improvements (such as the lights and mirrors I'm putting on my new arena, and the solariums I'm installing), rent in some cases, and insurance. When I add up all my costs, I make about £3 a week on some of my liveries. My yard pays for itself, and allows me to eat and have my horses and dogs, but I can't go on holiday. However, I love my job so much that I don't feel the need to go on holiday!

ETA - I don't think I could ever afford it either though - it's a lot of money all in one go! I think I'd have to move into a caravan. My rent would cover it!

So you are trying to say you religiously sleep less than 6 hours a night?! That is nuts. Even to be back out at the yard at 6.30 is more than sufficient! You are going to make yourself ill!!!

 

[[69117]]

So you are trying to say you religiously sleep less than 6 hours a night?! That is nuts. Even to be back out at the yard at 6.30 is more than sufficient! You are going to make yourself ill!!!

I've worked in racing and on studs for too long to re-programme my body clock. I'm used to, and happy with my routine. I hate being out on the yard later than 5am - it makes me fidgety! If I'm particularly knackered after a day hunting or competing then OH does the late skip out for me, and is often kind enough to sneak out and do it when I've fallen asleep on the sofa.

It works for me, and my hosses.

 

[criso]

Bearing in mind DIY livery in the area is about £33 a week and then on top of that you have hay at about £5 a bale and feed say at least 50p per day if is an ecomony feed plus one bale of bedding if shavings £9 you are looking at about £55 a week before you add on any labour costs.

And if some of their horses are like mine they will cost alot more than that in bedding and feed. It cost me almost £50 a week the winter I had to buy in my own haylage (allergic to hay at that time) and straw and feed.

 

[FireFly29]

I'm in south Herts and the yard I'm on charge £141 per week for 7 day part livery which includes everything except exercise and grooming.
When I lived in the southwest 6-7 years ago the yards I worked at charged around £100 per week, some included exercise, but that's probably gone up now!