Full livery injury

[conniegirl]

Gosh, I don't think there was anything in my post to give horse people a bad name.

I find that part of your comment passive aggressive too.

Funny how the written word can be interpreted.

I have re-read my post and think it fair, in the circumstances.

It came across as very snotty and holier than thou so yes. The equine world has a bad reputation for being snotty and elitist and comments like yours dont help that image at all.

The advice may be sound but the delivery was bad and likely to get peoples backs up.

 

[Birker2020]

It came across as very snotty and holier than thou so yes. The equine world has a bad reputation for being snotty and elitist and comments like yours dont help that image at all.

The advice may be sound but the delivery was bad and likely to get peoples backs up.

I don't think any of that was intended. Red-1 has always been kind and pleasant in her interactions with users on here. At least that's my opinion and by God, I've had some very sharp comments on here but never from him/her.

 

[Red-1]

It came across as very snotty and holier than thou so yes. The equine world has a bad reputation for being snotty and elitist and comments like yours dont help that image at all.

The advice may be sound but the delivery was bad and likely to get peoples backs up.

I think I like HHO a lot more than FaceBook because we don't just get the "Sorry Hun, the XXX was all wrong and you are right." Sometimes things need putting in a strong way for the sake of the horse.

The horse industry also has a bad reputation for people being too concerned about money over horse welfare, about liveries bad mouthing yard owners, about owners not giving correct care and treatment to their animals and seeing the horse as a £ asset for a purpose rather than a living, sentient being - any of which may or may not apply to OP but the original post is not showing ideal circumstances.

I think the best example was the lady on here who bought a horse for herself and her daughter and made some mistakes in the purchase and initially thereafter. Yes, there were strong comments, but yes, she realised they were strong and stepped back to see why. The horse ended up a huge success because she listened, with grace and intelligence. The horse benefitted.

 

[blitznbobs]

Its not snotty or elitist to suggest a tetanus jab is an absolute necessity . Full stop. Tetanus is a horrendous way to die (believed by most medics to be one of the two worst diseases to die from along with rabies) and is entirely preventable - sometimes the truth is painful to hear but it doesn’t mean people should be prevented from speaking it.

 

[skint.spotty]

Clip clop

I think you mean baaaa! (That is the noise goats make isn't it? Although i am not sure if they'd make different noises for a troll sighting....)

 

[Janique]

I think the YO should have called you and even send a photo, then you could decided if you wanted to see for yourself or even call the vet.
It's all about working together and i can fully understand that you are not happy.
Small scratch or else, it's your horse and you are paying for a service, then at least the YO could do was to tell you about it.

It happend to me, a week ago, luckily, i just arrived a few minutes after the injuries was done. As for Tetanus, it is vital to have it done.

Hope your horse make a good recovery.

 

[southerncomfort]

If its just scratches then I'd be fine with an informal text.

However, I believe the poster described a wire cut, in which case I'd have expected a phone call.

Either way, I don't think anyone should turn up to see their horse without any warning that it has injuries, no matter how minor they are thought to be.

It's just common courtesy to keep owners informed.

I must admit, I was a bit surprised at the tone of Red's post. Red is normally one of the kindest, most helpful people here.

 

[Goldenstar]

I have seen tetanus once in a horse a very very long time ago it’s appalling a terrible way to go .
Never ever let a horse go five minutes longer than you can avoid without tetanus cover .

A yard owner or manager ought to let an owner know if a horse is injured when the owner is away but that pales into insignificance beside having a horse with no tetanus cover .

 

[HorsesRule2009]

I was a groom for many many years and wouldn't always message an owner with something like this.
If it was fairly serious and a possible vet job I'd call and discuss.
If it was just minor scratches and nothing overly serious I didn't contact owner, just pop and see them when they arrived at yard. This could sometimes be several days after incident as they were full livery.

All owners were happy with this.

Truth is if I messaged about every little thing I'd be constantly on the phone for one reason or another.

Also all horses were up to date with vacs and tetanus was always done asap if they arrived with out it.

 

[DressageCob]

It feels like the start of half term.

 

[gallopingby]

Full livery means different things to different people and we don’t know exactly what’s being paid for. So the pony costs a lot of money these days that equals upwards of 12k although price should be irrelevant to its care as even the hairiest, plainest cob deserves to be looked after well. Proper full livery should cost upwards of £150 a week and easily double that if on a professional yard. If it’s a more informal arrangement maybe it could be £50 a week but you’ll hopefully always get what you pay for.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Any injury if on part or full livery should be disclosed to the owner as soon as possible.

I would get your horses jabs done as soon as you can.

 

[Tiddlypom]

How long ago were the tetanus vaccinations introduced for horses? I'm re reading many of the old classic pony books from the 40s onwards and it often comes up how a pony must get the anti toxin as a matter of urgency after sustaining a wound.

Pre human tetanus vaccinations the daughter of a medical consultant colleague of my late dad contracted tetanus from an absolutely tiny wound. She did survive, but was extremely ill.

 

[SEL]

How long ago were the tetanus vaccinations introduced for horses? I'm re reading many of the old classic pony books from the 40s onwards and it often comes up how a pony must get the anti toxin as a matter of urgency after sustaining a wound.

Pre human tetanus vaccinations the daughter of a medical consultant colleague of my late dad contracted tetanus from an absolutely tiny wound. She did survive, but was extremely ill.

We had a farmer contract it in my old village. There was lots of people asking how he managed to get it despite vaccination but apparently farmers carry a higher risk. Very sick but he'd had all his childhood jabs and some on top so he did survive. Don't hear much about it in the UK so I suspect people under estimate the risk.

 

[doodle]

The bull on the farm got tetanus. They tried for hours to save him, not quite believing that was what it was. I believe cows are not vaccinated for it. It was a horrendous way for him to go. I didn’t intent to but I saw him lying dead. That poor animal.

 

[LadyGascoyne]

I would expect to be texted if there was any mark/cut/scratch on my horses when they are in full livery. However, when they are on livery, they are at a specialist competition yard so I expect a certain level of service and, happily, that has always been the case.

Picking up from things you’ve said and reading between the lines a bit, it sounds like this yard may not offer the level of service that I’d imagine you’d want for a horse that you’ve described as a well-bred yearling with show potential, and which has cost a lot.

I wouldn’t be happy if my livery yard had wire fences which could be reached by horses - especially with youngsters. My yard would have an isolation period for new horses. They would also expect vaccinations to be up to date, and want to see passports to prove that, albeit for flu but it’s unlikely to have flu and no tet. Does your horse at least have flu?

I would be looking for other yards for all the reasons above, not just for the failure to inform you of an injury. I’d also be vaccinating immediately, although I am sure you will be.

If your expectation is to keep the horse in show condition then the right environment and management is key - as is setting the expectation with the livery.

To use an extreme, and not saying that this is the case for you, but if the YO perceives this as a young, unvaccinated pony where the owner seems happy for it to be turned out with other horses and and wire fencing, then they may not expect you to be as concerned with nicks and bumps. They might not even realise you intend to compete or that you deem the horse a valuable show animal.

So long story short, I’d vaccinate, move to somewhere where the standards better fit my intentions for the horse, and then set the expectation immediately.

 

[Gloi]

How long ago were the tetanus vaccinations introduced for horses? I'm re reading many of the old classic pony books from the 40s onwards and it often comes up how a pony must get the anti toxin as a matter of urgency after sustaining a wound.

Pre human tetanus vaccinations the daughter of a medical consultant colleague of my late dad contracted tetanus from an absolutely tiny wound. She did survive, but was extremely ill.

An old farmer who used to work with plough horses told me a tale from before tetanus vaccines.
There was a particular field they could never use for young horse grazing as there had been a lot of tetanus deaths of horses in it. What was happening was that when the horses shed their teeth the bacteria were getting in the wounds in the gums. This field seemed for some reason to hive a high concentration of tetanus bacteria.

 

[ycbm]

If anyone reading this thread has been scared, rightly, into vaccinating a horse that isn't covered at the moment, please be aware that if your horse gets a wound before the right amount of time has elapsed after the second injection, you still need anti toxin immediately because the vaccine takes time to take full effect.

Oh, and get your own up to date, too. Tell the doctor you're high risk because you are around horse poop daily.
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[blitznbobs]

If anyone reading this thread has been scared, rightly, into vaccinating a horse that isn't covered at the moment, please be aware that if your horse gets a wound before the right amount of time has elapsed after the second injection, you still need anti toxin immediately because the vaccine takes time to take full effect.

Oh, and get your own up to date, too. Tell the doctor you're high risk because you are around horse poop daily.
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If you have had 5 vaccines in your life you are covered for life and soil is more risk than horse poop…

 

[Gloi]

If you have had 5 vaccines in your life you are covered for life and soil is more risk than horse poop…

I have tried to get a tetanus booster because it is many years since I had one and am around mud all winter and summer garden soil but can't get one from the GP.

 

[ycbm]

If you have had 5 vaccines in your life you are covered for life and soil is more risk than horse poop…

I found the horse poop argument easier when I was younger because so many people garden, but I had my 5 long ago now.
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[blitznbobs]

I have tried to get a tetanus booster because it is many years since I had one and am around mud all winter and summer garden soil but can't get one from the GP.

If you are over 18 and had your vaccines up until that date you don’t need one. the tetanus vaccines these dates is combined with several other diseases including diptheria and polio.

 

[bonny]

I just looked up the cases of tetanus jn humans in the Uk, hardly alarming . There were 7 cases in 2020, 4 in 2019, all in older people, it’s very low down on a list of things that might make you ill and younger people are covered by vaccines anyway.

 

[blitznbobs]

I just looked up the cases of tetanus jn humans in the Uk, hardly alarming . There were 7 cases in 2020, 4 in 2019, all in older people, it’s very low down on a list of things that might make you ill and younger people are covered by vaccines anyway.

Because vaccination works

• In 2019, the Global Burden of Disease study estimated over 73,000 total tetanus cases including over 27,000 neonatal tetanus infections.
• A modeling study found that during January to December 2020, an estimated 30 million children missed completing their 3 primary doses of tetanus containing vaccine.
• Several countries still do not provide tetanus booster shots to protect their populations throughout life.

Tetanus Causes Serious Health Problems​

• In countries with no intensive care, almost 100% of persons who get infected with tetanus die.
• Tetanus, also known as “lockjaw,” causes severe health problems including tightening of the jaw muscles, muscle spasms, stiffness, and jerking or staring (seizures). Tetanus can also make it difficult to swallow or breathe, which can lead to respiratory failure and death.
• Neonates who survive tetanus can have severe long-term neurologic, behavioral, and intellectual abnormalities.

 

[ycbm]

If you have had 5 vaccines in your life you are covered for life and soil is more risk than horse poop…

Have you got any idea why we stop at 5 in humans but not in horses?
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[blitznbobs]

Have you got any idea why we stop at 5 in humans but not in horses?
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None whatsoever, this is just my opinion but de finitely not based in evidence, but partly due to the research not being done. Partly due to horses eating soil and therefore being at higher risk and partly cos vets like to be paid.

 

[bonny]

Have you got any idea why we stop at 5 in humans but not in horses?
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Humans don’t pay ?

 

[Landcruiser]

I was on a private yard where a lovely youngster contracted tetanus and survived. It was touch and go for a while, and the poor pony really suffered - but he pulled through by a miracle. I tried to find the news article that followed, but it was about 14 yrs ago, and lost in the bowels of the internet now. Having seen that, I would never let any of mine lapse or be unvaccinated.

(Erm, Bonny? Taxes and National Insurance?)

 

[Widgeon]

Another know it all

So....I haven't looked at how many other posts you have but I feel like you might not enjoy this forum

 

[bonny]

I was on a private yard where a lovely youngster contracted tetanus and survived. It was touch and go for a while, and the poor pony really suffered - but he pulled through by a miracle. I tried to find the news article that followed, but it was about 14 yrs ago, and lost in the bowels of the internet now. Having seen that, I would never let any of mine lapse or be unvaccinated.

(Erm, Bonny? Taxes and National Insurance?)

Ok, humans don’t pay directly, horse owners pay for every vaccine.