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I am writing this on behalf of a friend, he is having to put his horse out on full loan, he has a contract drafted but is unsure what to do with the horse's passport. Does he keep it or does he give it to the person loaning the horse?

Sorry if this is a stupid question it is just that neither of us has ha much to do with loaned horses.

Thanks in advance
 
My pony is out on full loan and we gave them the passport because they do Pony Club games so need it for whenever they go competing. I think you'd have to give it to them unless they were never going to compete or travel because you are supposed to take the passport with you whenever the horse is traveled, and some competitions may ask for the passport :)
 
Legally the passport should be with the horses 'keeper' although it's not 100% clear who this is some times! Probably on a full livery yard the YO should have the passport not the owner - but in practice I'm sure this very rarely happens.

So the passport should go to the loaner, a passport isn't proof of ownership and getting a new passport is very easy (one quick vet call out) so keeping hold of it doesn't give you much protection from the horse being sold without your knowledge.
Best to write in biro on the passport 'Horse on Loan' or something similar and to inform the passport issuing office that it's going out on loan so they need to NOT record a change of ownership without informing you.

All that said - my horse is out on loan and I've just given the loaner a photo copy, he's been there 2 years not though so when his vacs come round again I'll probably hand it over!
 
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Thank you for your reply, what other measures should be taken so horse can't be sold etc?
 
The simplest is to loan him close to where your friend lives so they can call in and see him often - I went once a week for the first few months - just driving by an seeing him in the field. Maybe insist on using your farrier so the are seeing him every 6 ish weeks.

A freezemark registered to your friend and again recorded as out on loan.
Get lots of details from the loaner - copy of their passport, copy of a bill/ bank statement to prrove their address and meet them there for something so you're sure that really is where they live. Get references from their vet/ YO/ instructor etc.

It's all a bit over the top for a genuine loaner but they'll probably put up with it, someone dodgy will make excuses for you knowing where they live etc.
 
They will need the passport for updating with medication, vaccinations etc - as above, it isn't and never has been proof of ownership.
I throroughly recommend that he has a formal loan agreement such as the BHS one and includes the sentence "It is expressly forbidden that the horse referred to should be sold during the period of the loan". Horsewatch advised me that if that is included and the horse does go missing, the police will regard it as fraud. Without it it is a civil matter and they won't get involved. But it is vital that regular homechecks are done too - if not by the owner in person, if it is too far away for example, then delegate, find someone local via a forum like this or Facebook, most horse owners are only too happy to help. I do them initially and then every 6 months or so.
 
I have a horse on full loan. I keep the passport so things like his flu and tetnus jabs can be recorded but I have left it in the owners name. Foxy is also microchipped and again that has been left in the owners name. I had him on loan at the owners yard for the first year and then when we bought a place with land I moved him home. I keep in contact with the owners sending them photo's and updates every couple of months :)
 
My gelding is full loan and I hold the passport. Some vets won't even look at your horse unless you show it to them first. When I registered with the vet I had to give all the details from it. HHO did a feature on passports recently and it said it should stay with the horse at all times, so technically, they should be kept at the yard where the horse is kept.

Plus, you can't be sure that the loaner will 100% never compete the horse. Even if the horse is a happy hack and fast work/jumping is expressly forbidden in the contract, doesn't meant they won't want to take part in showing shows for ridden or in-hand classes. In which case I'm sure they will need it for that, too.
 
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1 of mine is currently on loan to me for up to 2 years.
I have the passport - I would not be able to transport the pony legally anywhere without it, nor go to camp, or compete, nor would the local vets be able to administer (except in extreme emergency).

It has been logged with the breed society that the pony is on loan to me.
(it's easier tho as the pony belongs to a long standing friend, who is able to drive over & see her :) )
 
Before the horse goes on loan get it freezemarked if not already done so that the horse can always be identified.

Ideal situation is to get it vetted so that both partis know the exact condition it is in.

Ensure that you have the original Passport, Driving Licence and Rates Bill of the person loaning the horse and photocopy for your own records.

The loan agreement should be checked by a specialist equine solicitor.

Check out where the horse is going to be stabled and go with it when it is moved. Visit the horse at least every week when it first loaned to check all is well and then every month or so.

Unfortunately a number of horses disapear on loan.
 
Passport goes with the keeper not the owner.
In my case 2 of our passports are at the livery yard where our horses are and 3 are at home.

Our vet will not prescibe ACP or bute without the passport! So with a loan I would not want to risk a horse in pain not be ing able to have painkillers administered.

As to travel provided you can show the passport within 3 hours it does not have to be with the horse.

As The Fuzzy Furry has said you can log the on loan point with the society that has issued the passport and in some cases also with the insurer.
 
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