Fulmer Cheek snaffle + keepers rubbing?

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I recently swapped my copper roller cheek snaffle for a fulmer because the copper one wasn't dressage legal. I never used keepers with the CR. I got some for the fulmer because the cheeks were so big! But it looks very uncomfortable in his mouth when the keepers are on - I understand what they are there for, but when I took them off he seemed happier and played with the bit more (the keepers fix it in place as i understand it? So I wonder a) have I got the keepers on right (how far over the cheek strap do they go - has anyone a picture?? and b) can you ride without them?

Also because the fulmer kept rubbing the noseband I had to move it up, then it was too tight so I swapped it for a grackle! Sigh. I have thought about a drop...

I don't want to change the bit as the cheek snaffle definetly helps with steering! He also seems to go better in one...

Any suggestions
 
I never use keepers when riding in a fulmer, I find it a more effective bit without the keepers. My instructor told me the keepers where only meant to be used when the horse was jumping and there was a risk it might fall and hurt it's on the full cheeks?

Have to say I tend to prefer a full cheek snaffle rather than fulmer, mainly as you can get a hollow mouth full cheek which my WB like far better than the really thin fulmer :s
 
Thanks! That's how I felt too. I just thought I'd try a loose ring fulmer rahter than fixed cheek

Do you know if - if you use the fulmer for dressage - you have to use the keepers? Or is it not allowed to be ridden without the keepers in place?
 
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