meleeka
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It’s a bit odd since If you were properly shielding you wouldn’t be at a fun ride anyway.
Fun Ride banning shielding/vulnerable riders- is this OK?
- Thread starter Silver Clouds
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Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
I wonder if they typed shielding instead of self-isolating.
Dexter
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It is illegal to excuse a whole group of people based on disability with no grounds to do so. I deal with this a the time at work. You just cant do it
Leandy
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't make a fuss about it and if I wanted to go anyway I would just go because noone is going to know or challenge you and as you say, you won't harm anyone else. Perhaps be pleased they are actually running given all the extra hoops they have to jump through at the moment. It would be a real shame if events which are doing their best to keep going for as many as possible feel that they are unable to do so. That would be a loss for everyone, and not just a few.
sport horse
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I think those of us who actually give our time and energy free to various organisations to run events for the majority of you to attend, will agree with me that the amount of information and rules/regulations that pop into our inbox on a daily basis make it virtually impossible to keep up with it all - especially as many of these volunteeers also work, have a family, probably a horse and still manage to find time to take on voluntary work. Many of you would do well to ponder on this and perhaps volunteer so that you can find out just how difficult organising a sporting event is in the current pandemic. If anyone is in doubt, they can politley ask the organisers - there is a magic thing called a phone - or alternatively stay away. Whatever you do please stop publicly criticising.
The ride is called a 'Fun Ride' and you are making it anything but that for the volunteers.
MagicMelon
Well-Known Member
Surely its up to the person shielding if they want to take the risk. They have no risk to ban anyone. I would just sign it and have fun!
honetpot
Well-Known Member
I love this old chestnut. As someone who has organised, and volunteered at various events large and small, from small pets shows,village events to county shows, someone making suggestions, comments or complaints on how something how is run, even when you know it could not be improved or avoided, because someone has been through the process of risk assessments, staffing and all the other things that go on behind the scenes, is not something that they should be ashamed of. It's a simple transaction, they are the customer, they are paying for a service, very few of these events are free, and as long as their comments are not abusive, they should be welcomed, because not knowing why they do not attend again, when something, perhaps can be improved or changed, is just bad management.
Even when you think something has been a success, there is always room for improvement, or changes, you have a 'wash up' discussion and review your entries or sales.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
I do like your post honetpot. Having been involved in organising and running various equine events from RC to RDA, not to mention non-horsey events for the public to attend, the most important thing I have learned is to *read the small print* of the insurance policy and most especially any H&S arrangements that are required.
Yes it is great when people acknowledge all your hard work, both on the day and in the lead-up but that doesn't mean that you should not comply with the law/regulations. And I agree with sport horse that anyone who can should volunteer occasionally so that these events can continue to happen for the benefit of all.
Yes it is great when people acknowledge all your hard work, both on the day and in the lead-up but that doesn't mean that you should not comply with the law/regulations. And I agree with sport horse that anyone who can should volunteer occasionally so that these events can continue to happen for the benefit of all.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I think it's a rare horsey person who has never volunteered to help run horsey events.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Some people freely volunteer to run events or to assist at them, others are shamed/strong armed/required to volunteer in order to, for instance, carry on competing.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I was always pleased we didn't qualify for RC champs, lincoln at the time I think as you had to provide people and getting people was just a nightmare.
Silver Clouds
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Interestingly the actual wording bans anyone who could be classified as 'vulnerable' (not just 'extremely vulnerable), not just those who were shielding when shielding was in place earlier in the year. I hadn't considered how many people that this would prevent from attending, but actually the list of people classed as 'vulnerable' is huge, ranging from those with common health problems including asthma and diabetes, to anyone over 70, and obese people.
I think that the intentions were well meant and intended to protect the organisers from the risk of being blamed if a vulnerable person became ill. Interestingly though, I have since visited the organisers facebook page and despite their attempt to risk Ax it is the only ride I have seen in this area that is allowing a mass start (turn up whenever you want within a 2 hour time frame, and ride with as many people as you want) rather than giving all attendees a pre-arranged start time (and other rides have limited riders to groups of six), and they are asking for people to pay and register on the day rather than remotely in advance (resulting in unnecessary queuing and handling of cash, forms etc). They also have no rules regarding socially distanced parking, and will be selling food made by volunteers.
Thank you to everyone for your thoughts, it has been an interesting issue. Because of the lack of basic practical precautions I have unfortunately decided that I won't attend, but I would have made this decision even if I wasn't classed as extremely vulnerable, as I feel they are being irresponsible and risking disease spread. If my only concern was what was written on the form then I would have attended. As the event is still three weeks away it will be interesting to see if it goes ahead as planned as I can't be the only person to have noticed the lack of basic CV19 precautions.
I think that the intentions were well meant and intended to protect the organisers from the risk of being blamed if a vulnerable person became ill. Interestingly though, I have since visited the organisers facebook page and despite their attempt to risk Ax it is the only ride I have seen in this area that is allowing a mass start (turn up whenever you want within a 2 hour time frame, and ride with as many people as you want) rather than giving all attendees a pre-arranged start time (and other rides have limited riders to groups of six), and they are asking for people to pay and register on the day rather than remotely in advance (resulting in unnecessary queuing and handling of cash, forms etc). They also have no rules regarding socially distanced parking, and will be selling food made by volunteers.
Thank you to everyone for your thoughts, it has been an interesting issue. Because of the lack of basic practical precautions I have unfortunately decided that I won't attend, but I would have made this decision even if I wasn't classed as extremely vulnerable, as I feel they are being irresponsible and risking disease spread. If my only concern was what was written on the form then I would have attended. As the event is still three weeks away it will be interesting to see if it goes ahead as planned as I can't be the only person to have noticed the lack of basic CV19 precautions.
blitznbobs
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i Agree but there are grounds to do it...
Pedantic
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Their organized ride, their rules, if they say you have to wear a Tutu, then you either comply or don't do the ride, because we live in a society of blame claim culture, everyone has to cover their arse's.
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little_critter
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Hmmm, not sure about the “their ride, their rules”. If instead of saying “no vulnerable people” their terms had said “no blacks” what then? Both statements are excluding a large section of people. Their rule of no vulnerable people may be coming from a being cautious, but it appears to be misguided.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
That attitude is why the Equality Act 2010 was needed and why every-one, including the organisers of 'Fun Rides', should comply with it. Otherwise people with disabilities find themselves excluded from activities that others are included in.
Pedantic
Well-Known Member
They exclude people below a certain height on fairground fun rides, is that contravening act 2010, or just a health and safety ?
southerncomfort
Well-Known Member
How is my having asthma a health and safety issue though?
I'm as likely/unlikely to get covid as anyone else so how am I a risk to anyone? If anything I'm likely to be more cautious about hygiene/social distancing.
Excluding someone like me is unfair and completely unjustified.
I'm as likely/unlikely to get covid as anyone else so how am I a risk to anyone? If anything I'm likely to be more cautious about hygiene/social distancing.
Excluding someone like me is unfair and completely unjustified.
mariew
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This thread to me feels like a mountain out of a molehill. I bet someone has put that down just to cover themselves. We live in funny times and people are scared. Just talk to them, but tbh anyone who is extremely vulnerable to covid probably shouldn't attend any kind of organised event where a larger amount of people are involved.
If I saw this thread as an organiser it would put me off organising again, lots of chatter behind their backs instead of just talking to them directly. If I had concerns about their general covid preparedness, maybe just point it out to help them?
If I saw this thread as an organiser it would put me off organising again, lots of chatter behind their backs instead of just talking to them directly. If I had concerns about their general covid preparedness, maybe just point it out to help them?
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Judging by the total lack of Covid safe precautions at the fun ride (paying on the day, no set start times, no rule of 6, no distanced parking etc) the organisers need a big kick up the jacksii. They cannot be unaware of the obligations that they must follow.
Pedantic
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I'm sure I am supposed to feel offended about something or other regarding this post, well, it's the modern thing to do, bit not quite sure which bit though, any pointers ?
stormox
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There is no consistency in the covid legislation. I suggest you stop whinging, don't go, and let others enjoy their day.
SO1
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I expect it is related to first aid where social distancing is not possible and reducing the risk of an asymptomatic first aider or marshall passing on coronavirus to someone who vulnerable who has fallen and needs assistance. They will have done a risk assessment and that will have taken into consideration the prevalence of coronavirus the area if it is high greater risks.
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Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
If they have done a risk assessment, as they should have, it should be available to anyone who asks to see it. That might be quite interesting as there don't seem to be any mitigating measures, other than banning the vulnerable, which is illegal.
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I suspect you may be correct.
If I wanted to go, and as you are not currently shielding or self isolating, I would simply go. However, I see you have self assessed the conditions of the ride and have decided yourself not to go.
I don't really blame the organisers on this one, they are between a rock and a hard place. We go to a cafe on Saturday afternoons, in a garden centre. The car park is tight. people don't have to book. People turn up when they like. We have to queue to go in. We can pay with cash. We look at plastic menus. We take masks off to eat. I can't see anyone bellyaching about this.
I would imagine an outdoor ride would be less risky that a trip to the shops or a trip to the cafe.
I do agree that exempting people willy nilly is wrong, but I would simply assess the situation myself and make my own judgement. As you have done.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
I simply would not go to that cafe! The few places where I have eaten have been very careful with their arrangements, with well distanced tables, a t&t sheet to be completed and a one way system for entrance/exit/lavatories. I probably won't be going again for a while because I have chosen to sit outside previously.
As for the fun ride it seems to me that they have simply thought that banning the clinically vulnerable exonerates them of all responsibility for H&S which it doesn't.
Equine_Dream
Well-Known Member
Totally agree. This is just a box ticking exercise by the organiser as these are unprecedented times and nobody wants to get sued.
They will hardly be expecting you to submit your medical history. Go or don't go. Its really not difficult ?
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
They do have a separate entrance/exit. They do have a list of people who attend. They have separated the tables (removed half of them). They do everything you have posted, that is (presumably) the guidance. But, they also do everything I have posted.
What I am saying is that nothing will be perfect. I am still happy to pay cash. I put change away then gel hands. I will queue, with a mask on and at a distance. I will use a normal car park. I think a fun ride, even with cash, a busy car park, queueing etc is no worse than my weekly shop.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
First aiders should presume that any casualty is potentially Covid positive, and they should have suitable PPE available to wear in any first aid situation. This is to protect the first aider.
My Bro (a consultant general surgeon and also a volunteer RNLI medic) has briefed the RNLI volunteers at his local station on how to deal with casualties - always assume that they could be Covid +ve, and handle them accordingly.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
I forgot to say that everywhere I have paid for anything since lockdown started has wanted a card payment. They don't want to handle cash. I do my shopping online, except for the very few bits that I forgot, so my weekly shop is super safe - and I only shop in small shops that have a good handle on the safety aspect.