Future for a bolter?

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CVSHotshot - I do hope that people will look at your signature photo, and evaluate your advice accordingly.
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THanks Baublezebub, I take that as a complement (I hope it was meant as one lol)


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i wouldn't think so, love....
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do you go to specsavers?

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Haha!...I actually dont even think i shud waste my time replying to someone who is so CLEARLY immature and jealous!
You will never know where i got that horse or who is riding him in that pic, But i just smile to myself because quite frankly, people like you who make stupid statements like that are actually not even slighty valued by anyone who knows anything about horses! So work away 'Love' say what you like because your opinion means absolutely nothing to me!
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CVSHot Shot, is that you riding that horse? The one that is seriously over bent, with your hands too flat and your heel up? Just interested.

Re the OP, I have to go with the PTS route. We had a TBx Welsh D who was unpredictable to ride and to lead. Her problems turned out to be food related (she could not tolerate sugar or grains, we now think she may have created her own ethanol!) We were able to retire her and we have our own land so that she could stay here until she reached old age. In the case of this lad PTS sounds to be the only option.
 
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CVSHot Shot, is that you riding that horse? The one that is seriously over bent, with your hands too flat and your heel up? Just interested.

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Lmao...
no actually your very wrong & obviously another one with not a clue!...when your 'training' your horse you dont worry about 'your' position you idiot..as long as you have the horse doing what he is supposed to be (Using his back & hind legs which he was) you leave your position for the competition.

But saying as your "Just interested" it just happens to be an international rider who i worked for, who set me up with that horse and who trained him with me...so hope that answers your question!

maybe you shud take up her position with herself saying as you think you know better.
 
What a rude person you are, perhaps you should try moderating your tone.

When training a horse your poisition is of paramount importance, or do you ride in some manner in which your position is dissociated from the response of the horse?
 
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My then 2yr was sent off for colic surgery, then box rested on her own for a few months, led and grazed in hand twice a day.
She didn't lift a leg to anyone - all it takes is one kick, and you could be dead.


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But had she done so once, would you have labelled her totally unpredictable inhand? I know I wouldnt if it was one of mine. I might have called it a few names and suggested a trip to Bristol!

If it happened several times for no good reason then fair enough. But the in hand incident was a one off apparently. We dont know if the horse was led out daily.

Hence I dont think we should label the horse "totally unpredictable in hand" out of principle.

Any horse could have a one off especially after box rest. It doesnt mean they are totally unpredictable in hand does it?
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It certainly doesnt in my book. That is what some horses do from time to time.
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If the Op had just said her horse had walloped her after box rest would we say it was totally unpredictable so PTS? I honestly dont think we would.


Surely, the key issue here is the bolting and running through fences.
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What a rude person you are, perhaps you should try moderating your tone.

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Gosh, I'm not going to comment on the horse or the rider in the picture but I have to say considering the way some other posters have been critising the picture (which incidentally had nothing to with the OP or the comments made by the owner of the sig), I think she has been extremely polite and patient. I would be jolly annoyed if I was her and people were jumping on my sig like that regardless of what was in it. I haven't seen anything unpleasant in her tone - I have seen quite a lot unpleasant in the tone of others responding to her.

Not necessarily aimed at anyone in particular, I don't take note of WHO is replying, just what is written on the screen.
 
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no actually your very wrong & obviously another one with not a clue!...when your 'training' your horse you dont worry about 'your' position you idiot..

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You know... I'm always intrigued why people who believe they have the upper hand in an argument have to resort to insults...
Seriously, what's all that about?
 
I really don't think this is the time or the place to be discussing CVSHotShot's lack of riding skills. Have a little feeling for the OP guys
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The poster suggested that the comment was a compliment, and was then very rude, I am not an idiot and have a clue or two. If you think that is not rude, then fair enough. I however am getting a little bit fed up of the insults which some posters feel appropriate. You presumably are quite happy with people using such comments, unless of course they are aimed at you.
 
Yes you are right Tia, and apologise for hi-jacking the thread a little. I have posted my view and feel very sorry for the OP and her awful situation
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I really don't think this is the time or the place to be discussing CVSHotShot's lack of riding skills. Have a little feeling for the OP guys
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and also if people could stop commenting on peoples riding in their siggies - it makes me paranoid
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My then 2yr was sent off for colic surgery, then box rested on her own for a few months, led and grazed in hand twice a day.
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But had she done so once, would you have labelled her totally unpredictable inhand? I know I wouldnt if it was one of mine. I might have called it a few names and suggested a trip to Bristol!

If it happened several times for no good reason then fair enough. But the in hand incident was a one off apparently. We dont know if the horse was led out daily.

Hence I dont think we should label the horse "totally unpredictable in hand" out of principle.

Any horse could have a one off especially after box rest. It doesnt mean they are totally unpredictable in hand does it?
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It certainly doesnt in my book. That is what some horses do from time to time.
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If the Op had just said her horse had walloped her after box rest would we say it was totally unpredictable so PTS? I honestly dont think we would.


Surely, the key issue here is the bolting and running through fences.
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Some horses do bite, strike and rear, it is true, and one instance does not make them 'unpredictable'.
But it is not the only example of unpredictable behaviours in the OP's horse - and you must look at the whole pattern of behaviour.
The horse is not safe to ride (look at the OP's catalogue of injuries), and cannot be described as safe to handle, given its kicking. To date, my now 4yr old (bought as a weanling), has never bitten, kicked or struck anyone so can still be, to my mind, described as safe, and is unlikely, in my opinion to be a safety risk if retired for any reason.
The OP would have to make a decision whether her horse is, or isn't safe to retire. Human safety is paramount.
I suspect it may be a tumour, however, so likely to get worse.
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You presumably are quite happy with people using such comments, unless of course they are aimed at you.

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didn't see 'idiot' bit, was skim-reading a bit. agree was a tad rude. However, I do think i would be rather rude too if I felt that someone had hijaked a thread I had commented in to slate the riding in my sig. Again, not saying you did this, was just the impression of what I got was happening from reading the pages.

Anyway, I am going to stop thread hijaking myself now. I've commented for the OP already. I hope she is able to make the right choice for the horse.
 
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You presumably are quite happy with people using such comments, unless of course they are aimed at you.

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didn't see 'idiot' bit, was skim-reading a bit. agree was a tad rude. However, I do think i would be rather rude too if I felt that someone had hijaked a thread I had commented in to slate the riding in my sig. Again, not saying you did this, was just the impression of what I got was happening from reading the pages.

Anyway, I am going to stop thread hijaking myself now. I've commented for the OP already. I hope she is able to make the right choice for the horse.

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You must have missed CVSHotShot's analysis that everyone was saying 'F**k it, put it to sleep', calling JM07 'immature and jealous' and I think 'stupid' was there too...
You should maybe read posts a bit more carefully, although you are entitled to state your opinions, as am I, JM07, Mayflower, PapaFrita, YorkSG, and others whether they agree or disagree.
It's a free world, after all...but it would be better if people could desist from calling people idiots, etc.
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Breeding from anything in this current climate is a bit of a gamble for the foal unless you plan to replace the mare with it. What, though, if the foal doesn't measure up either
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Sorry to be so pessimistic, but the stats say people are getting rid, not buying in
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And regarding the bolter - I am the softest hearted person on the planet but can't help feeling PTS is the kindest and by far the safest for all concerned.
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Not a happy post from me in any respect.
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I would send it to a behavioral expert, be it traditional or 'natural horsemanship' route, before PTS but thats because normal riders and instructors can so often miss things. If the behavioural experts who can see the horse (We on here cannot) think that he is incurable and you cannot see your way to having him as a field ornament then I think it would be time to consider PTS.
 
TripleSandH, could you define 'behavioural expert' for me, please? How would a person go about becoming a 'behavioural expert' - what qualifications or experience should they have, and where would you find them?
Serious question.
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Well someone who has experience with problem horses. So traditional could be someone who takes problem horses and has success, there are no real qualifications when it comes to behavour, you have to go on whether the individual has turned around horses that others haven't. They don't tend to have brands.
In the natural sense I would be thinking Monty Roberts, Parelli, Maxwell and their associates and any of the other brands, I have no experience with nopethem but they claim to solve problem horses, and the actual high up people in these organisations (eg MR himself) might well be able to help, not so sure about the bog standard level of them.
You would really have to go by word of mouth or deciding on a route and looking up your nearest help online.
I thought it would be obvious but maybe not.
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I would send it to a behavioral expert, be it traditional or 'natural horsemanship' route, before PTS but thats because normal riders and instructors can so often miss things.

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Oh, sorry, but I disagree with you on that. I think this horse is far too unpredictable and I also think that in most cases the owner (assuming an experienced horseman/woman, as the OP appears to be) would be the first person to notice a pattern emerging and she hasn't. It's heartbreaking, but I can't see a happy ending here
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I have to say that I doubt that any of the self-professed 'behavioral experts' could help with this situation. The lack of predictability is the key, which suggests a neurobiological cause for the animals problems. Very sad, but too dangerous to try any further attempts to fix. Also if the horse runs 'blind', then it is also cruel to keep the animal going, IMO
 
But owners are not always clear headed when it comes to their own horses, no offence to OP and it can take an outsider to see what's happening.
I personally could not PTS a horse without trying all avenues.
 
TBH I think she has tried all avenues, and she has not only had her own view, but that of her trainer and her vet, both presumably dispassionate professionals
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Sad but I don't think prolonging this is going to help, but maybe get someone else, or the OP hurt further and maybe worse
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What a rude person you are, perhaps you should try moderating your tone.

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Gosh, I'm not going to comment on the horse or the rider in the picture but I have to say considering the way some other posters have been critising the picture (which incidentally had nothing to with the OP or the comments made by the owner of the sig), I think she has been extremely polite and patient. I would be jolly annoyed if I was her and people were jumping on my sig like that regardless of what was in it. I haven't seen anything unpleasant in her tone - I have seen quite a lot unpleasant in the tone of others responding to her.

Not necessarily aimed at anyone in particular, I don't take note of WHO is replying, just what is written on the screen.

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Thank-you. I am glad to see that someone sees that it is not me at the heart of this silly arguement, It really frustrates me that when I have an opinion i am told to 'wise up' by mayflower and then am told that 'I' cannot accept anyone elses opinion! I absolutely agree that every one is intitled to their own but i WILL NOT sit back and let some very rude people insult my horse or the rider in my sig!
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People should not side track of the topic to give unnecessary abuse to people who have different opinions and expect them to be completely calm ablout it.
 
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Well someone who has experience with problem horses. So traditional could be someone who takes problem horses and has success, there are no real qualifications when it comes to behavour, you have to go on whether the individual has turned around horses that others haven't. They don't tend to have brands.
In the natural sense I would be thinking Monty Roberts, Parelli, Maxwell and their associates and any of the other brands, I have no experience with nopethem but they claim to solve problem horses, and the actual high up people in these organisations (eg MR himself) might well be able to help, not so sure about the bog standard level of them.
You would really have to go by word of mouth or deciding on a route and looking up your nearest help online.
I thought it would be obvious but maybe not.
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I didn't think my disguise was that effective
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That's the trouble with 'behavioural experts' - as far as I can tell it could be used as a descriptor by anyone...and there is no way of assessing them, unless you happen to know them personally.
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You must have missed CVSHotShot's analysis that everyone was saying 'F**k it, put it to sleep', calling JM07 'immature and jealous' and I think 'stupid' was there too...
You should maybe read posts a bit more carefully, although you are entitled to state your opinions, as am I, JM07, Mayflower, PapaFrita, YorkSG, and others whether they agree or disagree.
It's a free world, after all...but it would be better if people could desist from calling people idiots, etc.
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Here we go again!
If you go back and read my 'analysis' you will in fact see that you are very wrong! and please do not quote me unless you are sure you are correct!
I find it amusing that you think i have assumed everyone has that attitude, what i am saying blunt statements like 'have it shoot' are absolutely soledistroying and heartbreaking for the person in this situation, i think they are the ones who need to refrain from such comments!
 
Sorry to be harsh but i can't believe you are even asking the question!!!

If a dog bit you it would be shot, this horse is a danger there fore have it put down
 
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[Here we go again!
If you go back and read my 'analysis' you will in fact see that you are very wrong! and please do not quote me unless you are sure you are correct!
I find it amusing that you think i have assumed everyone has that attitude, what i am saying blunt statements like 'have it shoot' are absolutely soledistroying and heartbreaking for the person in this situation, i think they are the ones who need to refrain from such comments!

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Ok, I apologise - I did paraphrase your comments.
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In order to make up for this unfortunate error, I have copied the exact phrases from your posts below to set the record straight.
I am sure that all the subjects to whom you were addressing your comments, will also wish they had not entered into debate with you, as clearly they are no match for your expertise in both horsemanship or debating. I now also understand that the photo in your signature shows a rider you consider aspirational, not you.
As a side note, may I now assume that the Parellis, of whom I know little, have embraced Rollkur?
Hope this sets the record straight.
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<font color="blue"> All of us - 'F**k it, have him PTS (from the first post)

Mayflower - ‘incredibly ridiculous’, ‘you make stupid statements’

JM07 – ‘immature and jealous’, ‘people like you who make stupid statements…’

YorkSG – ‘another one with not a clue’, ‘you dont worry about 'your' position you idiot’ </font>
 
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