Gaarrrrr! "Deed not breed" rant.

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Just watched one of those Animal Rescue programmes on BBC. They found a pitbull bitch with a litter of puppies, rescued them from the squalor they were living in (I think they were being bred for fighting) and I was all happy thinking "aww, instead of having horrible lives, they will be adopted by loving owners licensed under the Dangerous Dogs act to own a pitbull". But apparently it's too much effort to find an owner like that, because as soon as it was confirmed that they were pitbulls, the entire lot, mother and puppies, were put to sleep. The puppies were only five weeks old. I nearly cried! How can people who have dedicated their lives to rescuing animals in need, kill an entire litter of puppies just because of their breed?! It's not like they'd been trained for a life of fighting - they were still so tiny, they could be raised to be perfectly lovely pets and have great lives and bring so much happiness to someone. What's the point of allowing licensed people to own "dangerous" dogs, and then not bothering to try and rehome them?

Sorry about the rant, it just makes me so angry.
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Oh god, this has been the evenings debate between me and my mum *bangs head against a wall* I honestly believe dogs are only aggressive if taught to be
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That pitbull mum was gorgeous, didnt show a sign on aggressiveness at all and could easily make someone a lovely family pet as well as all the puppies if trained correctly. These dogs usually always end up in the wrong hands unfortunately usually by low life chavs
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who think having a "fighting dog" gives them a higher status.
 
Didn't see the programme, and am by no means a fan of the RSPCA (to put it mildly) but can perhaps understand why they were pts. Rescue kennels across the country are full, and many are staffie or "pit bull" types. If these cannot find homes, and sadly many can't, I think pure pit bulls would have similar problems being rehomed. As you say in a lot of cases the people who want one are the last sort who should have one.
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I have seen pitbull pups re homed to a family who had no idea that is what they were - they got 2 brothers who started tearing each other to bits when they got to a year old even though they were neutered. They were separated and one was given to another family member - one was fine the other picked fights wherever it went - so the poor owners who were very attached to this dog had to have it pts. Another pitbull we had in was totally obsessed with its tail and tore it off - we repaired it and as pitbulls are bred to fight harder if in any kind of pain even if self inflicted it started to tear its own backend off - needless to say it was pts! I can see why when there are heaps of normal types of dogs needing homes they would put them to sleep as it would be far harder and far higher risk to re home them to suitable homes - yes you do get nice ones - but would you ever trust one 100% in your home with your family - most people won't, it is kinder for the dogs in the long run and less heartache for anyone who does get one and it goes pear shaped.
 
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Didn't see the programme, and am by no means a fan of the RSPCA (to put it mildly) but can perhaps understand why they were pts. Rescue kennels across the country are full, and many are staffie or "pit bull" types. If these cannot find homes, and sadly many can't, I think pure pit bulls would have similar problems being rehomed. As you say in a lot of cases the people who want one are the last sort who should have one.
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Ditto.
 
I'm afraid I will ditto MurphysMinder, Blackhorses and The Henmeister, I can understand that when it is difficult to find good homes for the dogs you already have rescued, they do not take on dogs that they know have a higher risk of attracting the wrong sort of people, I can see some sense in that.

In an ideal world it wouldn't happen, but in real life you can see cute young puppies and think that they could have grown up to become beloved pets to someone, but we don't know if they would have became that or not.

And not all aggression is taught, I've bought one mongrel puppy and the experience have made stick to purebreds ever since, she was ill and the illness probably played its part in making her act aggressive, but the other part was due to bad inherited temperament, because please trust me, neither I or anyone in my family ever taught her to be aggressive.
 
Our local no-kill--the place from which we intend to adopt our dachshund pup--does a fantastic job with rehoming Pit Bulls. Animal Care and Control of NYC puts dogs through a very strict temperament test, after which the no-kill rescues step in and effectively take the best dogs on board. Our local rescue is very particular about who can adopt, and they tend to favour professionals.

I have walked and cared for loads of Pits. Aside from one Am Staff/Chihuahua mix who was severely aggressive to men, I have never encountered one that was anything but a complete mush to people. Dog aggression is a reality with the breed, but again, this is not set in stone. I know of Pits from horrid backgrounds--one kept in a basement for two years; one used as bait in a fighting ring--that are submissive to other dogs, and have since become AKC canine good citizens and visit the sick in hospital.

Deed not breed, indeed.
 
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Didn't see the programme, and am by no means a fan of the RSPCA (to put it mildly) but can perhaps understand why they were pts. Rescue kennels across the country are full, and many are staffie or "pit bull" types. If these cannot find homes, and sadly many can't, I think pure pit bulls would have similar problems being rehomed. As you say in a lot of cases the people who want one are the last sort who should have one.
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And me!!
 
It is sad but I can understand it too. Pit bulls are bred to be aggressive. OK so you might get some that are properly handled that do not pose a problem, but I'd say that is usually where their inherent aggressiveness is well managed.

It's like collies are bred to chase sheep - we know they can make good pets with enough input from dedicated owners, but the herding instinct always remains.

Sadly an aggressive pitbull is an accident waiting to happen and you can imagine the headlines if one of these pups didn't grow up into the ideal family pet but went on to do some injury, "RSPCA homed killer dog" etc....
 
I also agree with them being pts im afraid, Im not getting into the whole deed and breed thing, but I agree that they should be banned along with a few other breeds(of which I own) to be honest, simply because of the ways in which they are abused, and humans will never be held accountable for their irrisponsibility, so for me the dog should never be here in the first place, it only takes them not to be socialised adequately, not even to be goaded into aggression, and these dogs are capable of immense damage when an incident occurs (and I hate the, "I have seen more nasty yorki's/J.r.t's, colli's" statements) because yeah, u have no doubt, but they are not capable of ripping a limb from a human or animal in a few minutes and cannot be seperated without immense effort, and they cannot be trained to fight to the death in horrific circumstances and abused and disposed of whilst still gasping for breath after being mauled for a period of time
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And maybe Im going to sound harsh here, but I would rather puppies be pts at at young age than adult dogs, maybe not the 5 week mark if it can be avoided but certainly all these rescue allowing bitches to whelp when they are handed in (in pup) same wit cats
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, when they could easily abort, to put there times and energies and resources into rehoming the adult dogs.
 
I'm surprised so many people are supporting it, but I suppose I can see where you're coming from. I think it hit me because I have been volunteering in a rescue centre recently and working with a rescued pit bull who was used as a bait dog in a dog-fighting operation - she's got scars all over her and is a bit frightened of other dogs, but she's got such a sweet personality, you wouldn't believe what she's been through.
 
I think that must have been awful to see tbh and I can understand it from both sides. There is a pitbull mix in our local rescue home who has a reserved on him and another who doesn't. I agree that dogs are a product of who owns them and unfortunately with this breed people aren't prepared to take the risk. There are so many dogs in rescue homes and most of them seem to be the ones for whom morons have ruined their reputation. ie staffies, rotties and pit bull types.

I am in favour of PTS all those morons who breed them indiscriminately and those who buy them to fight.
 
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I think it hit me because I have been volunteering in a rescue centre recently and working with a rescued pit bull who was used as a bait dog in a dog-fighting operation - she's got scars all over her and is a bit frightened of other dogs, but she's got such a sweet personality, you wouldn't believe what she's been through.

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That really surprises me. I was under the impression that all fighting dogs that are rescued are PTS.
 
I can somewhat understand the sentiment expressed here. The strict breed legislation in the UK means that most potential adopters have probably never even seen a Pit, never mind interracted with one, meaning that the pool of good homes is far likely smaller. There are some US States where Pits are banned, but they are treated much like any other dog in NYC, and there's no restrictions on taking them to dog parks, doggie daycare, into stores etc. It's really no big deal to own a Pit.
 
I watched that too. Those poor dogs, that bitch had a lovely temperament, that was not an aggressive dog in any sense of the word!
I was absolutely gutted that they got put to sleep
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