Gah! and Gah! again. Off to Newmarket. Long and woe is me.

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Would like permission to utter 1000 expletives, cry, curl up into a ball and get off the world, please.

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Having not ridden for 20 years, serendipity happened, and in November 2010 I took loan of a little bay Caretano Z mare with Falco dam lines. In the 18 months I had her, I rode for about 8 of them. She was always lame... 3 months in she fractured a sidebone and took 6 months to recover. From then on, it was on and off lameness until she was retired to stud with the vet's blessing. Her last diagnosis was double hind suspensory tears (fortunately not so bad rest wouldn't cure, but she wasn't going eventing again any time soon).

I then bought an ex PTPer to bring on. I only had a two stage vetting because he was only £500 with having been brought into work after a 6 month rest whilst the owner had a baby. Which was a big, no, HUGE mistake on my part because he would have failed the 5 stage spectacularly when it came to lunging on the hard.

Anyway, two months in and he began trying to kill me regularly with a rodeo act. My bottle more or less upped and went but I wasn't going to give in so did all the checks and found an instructor who was going to sort us both out. Then he had a bad reaction to sedalin during a farrier session. Basically, the sedalin never kicked in, he pratted about when it came to his hind feet (expensive lesson #2 - if a horse doesn't like having its hind feet held up for any length of time, suspect an issue and get it checked out - stories about abusive farriers are rarely true) and then froze. Vet came and took x-rays - they showed the possible source of the bronking was a mild kissing spines situation and concluded that the stationary horse was muscle spasm as it eventually eased off and he could move again. I started to work him, on the advice of Cambridge, in the EquiAmi to try and build up his back muscles and stretch out his spine. He never did. He got more and more aggressive and his hind end action became more and more mechanical. In March we did the right thing and PTS. Post Mortem showed a massive SI issue. Once upon a time he had obviously fractured the ilial shaft in his pelvis, and the SI ligaments were mostly shredded.

So, I went horse hunting. And, well, you probably know that when I bought Larry, he was the fifth horse I had vetted and the previous 4 had all failed, three of them on extra issues I had asked for checking on the basis of the above experiences. My big ginger ninja passed a 3 hour 5 stage check with flying colours and came home on 27th July. He did come with a few issues - he was petrified of everyone, lunge whips and schooling whips; he was a bit girthy; and would occasionally turn his bum on you in the stable when you approached with tack. We started to get to grips with each other (I told you I'd completely lost my bottle so we took it slowly) and the occasional misbehaviour in the school had been resolved. In November, I finally found a suitable jumping saddle that fitted his huge shoulders and a good pair of brave pants to start eventing.

About 8 weeks ago, a new person came to our yard. She let her horse out in the field next to Larry and Cassie, his fieldmate, without showing her the fence, and having kept her stabled for 5 (:mad:) days without even taking her out for exercise. New horse of course went straight through the electric fence and set them all off. I watched Larry do an enormous skid that saw his back hooves pass his front and he sat down. I said at the time 'Well, that's my horse lame for the foreseeable.' And he was. We suspected a pulled muscle over his backside as he was sore to touch but sound in straight lines. He dragged his off-hind a bit on the circle in trot on the lunge. He had three weeks off with in-hand walking to keep him moving on days when he had to be in the sand paddocks. He had acupuncture and the physio. And then I had to start riding him again in walk with a little trot, pretending (because I'm over-sensitive to lameness as it is, spotting it usually before the horse) there was nothing wrong. He didn't like trotting on the corners to start off with, there was much tail swishing and grunting but, bless him, he didn't throw any other shapes. After a couple of weeks of gentle work, he really was starting to feel better. He had a session on the lunge (huge circles only) where he demonstrated how much better by bogging off in canter and refusing to trot for the next 20 minutes, tail in the air, nostrils flared and much snorting.

Ten days ago, I went out for a hack with a friend and he felt fabulous, apart from 4 loose shoes. That day, an hour or two later, one of our juniors came back from a hack and her pony bolted past the fields. Apparently everyone out had a hooey for a good half an hour as a result. When I went to fetch him in and my heart sank as I saw the skid marks. Sure enough, on Monday I took him in the school and he just would not move forward in the trot, despite lots of long and low warm up before hand. I was unable to ride on Tuesday and Wednesday due to the weather so put him on the lunge on Thursday to see what his legs were doing and felt sick to the stomach. He walked and trotted fine, but bunny hopped, stumbled and went disunited in canter on both reins. On returning to trot, he dragged his hind leg. But he was still fine in straight lines. Called the vet. She advised just to keep walking in-hand until she could get to me.

She came this morning. He showed her all his beautiful trotting with perfect soundness. Then he showed her his bunny hopping, stumbling and disunited canter.

We're off to Sue Dyson next week. I don't know what to say or do. Does anyone's horse come back from Sue with a good prognosis?
 
I'm sorry to hear of all your troubles, sometimes it just seems that you have a really long run of bad luck with horses, I am having one too at the moment so really do sympathise.

I know that horses must be allowed freedom and to go out but so many of my horses problems have happened in the field that sometimes I just want to shut them in a stable and wrap them up in cotton wool! I lost the best horse I ever owned when she was turned out, having a hooley and destroyed her ddft.

At least the vet is taking it seriously and you are not simply being fobbed off with the 'try a physio' thing, lets hope that Sue can find out what is really going on and help him.
 
I am sorry to say that a sit down is a primary cause of sacroiliac strain, and exactly how my horse did his. He did recover to event though, so I hope that yours does too.
 
Sue Dyson is arguably the best there is and I hope will get to the bottom of it. Don't anyone be too quick to dismiss physio as that might be exactly the treatment needed. Certainly Sue Dyson and the physio made a huge difference to my horse - pity they could do anything about my riding!!
 
Thank you so much for your replies. I'm beginning to think I'm cursed. I'm so hoping it's just a strain/pulled muscle - I can even cope with a torn muscle. The thought of ligament tears injuries is sending shivers down my spine.

I'm just feeling so deflated. He's supposed to be my ticket back into eventing - he has competed at PN. He's only 7. Such is the peril of such long legs.
 
Good luck and please let us know how you get on.
Thank you for your interest. I will. And in the meantime, I will try and stay away from Google. The problem is, I know a great deal about SI injuries - what I omitted from the above was that when my exPtPer had a bad reaction to the sedalin, his pratting about aggravated the SI injury I didn't know he had and the mechanical action behind was put down to that. I spent hours researching. I know that SI ligament issues and KS are often a result of each other... and I know SI ligament issues can also be associated with hock issues. I'm just hoping it's as cptrayes described for her horse as unfortunately, I can't see anything positive. And I saw my vet's face when she was watching him yesterday. She has seen me through three years of heartache and I know the look.

Apologies to all those suffering far worse. I know in the grand scheme of things, this is trivial.
 
Don't apologise, where our animals are concerned nothing is trivial. One aspect with my horse (whose injury was we think also SI related - possibly from when he slipped in front of a jump before I had him) was that he was never happy cantering down hill or bouncing down steps when going XC, we would have a bucking session straight afterwards . Trotting was fine. Never found a problem with his hocks.
 
Oh dear, sorry to hear this. I know exactly how you feel. I have a similar tale of woe... Catembi (in avatar) my horse of a lifetime, got very sick just as we were revving up for a crack at Fox, & £6.5k later, died. He had also previously had a v nasty encounter with a barbed wire fence, nicking an artery, severing a nerve & getting an infected tendon sheath, so once we came back from that (cost £4.5k) I thought that was our bad luck over with. Cat's successor was Adrian, who started promisingly, then wasn't right... took me 18 months & £5.5k to find out what was wrong with him... EPSM. So he's now a happy hacker. His succesor was Trev the ex-racer, who has ulcers that won't respond to treatment. I used to do lessons every week & compete BS/BS most weeks, & now I haven't even been for a lesson for over 2 years. :-( I am heartily sick of Rossdales & I expect that PetPlan are heartily sick of me.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone, EVER manages to keep a horse sound & competing for any length of time. I really know how you feel & sympathise.

Hope that yours comes right. The whole rollercoaster is horrible.

T x
 
Oh dear, sorry to hear this. I know exactly how you feel. I have a similar tale of woe... Catembi (in avatar) my horse of a lifetime, got very sick just as we were revving up for a crack at Fox, & £6.5k later, died. He had also previously had a v nasty encounter with a barbed wire fence, nicking an artery, severing a nerve & getting an infected tendon sheath, so once we came back from that (cost £4.5k) I thought that was our bad luck over with. Cat's successor was Adrian, who started promisingly, then wasn't right... took me 18 months & £5.5k to find out what was wrong with him... EPSM. So he's now a happy hacker. His succesor was Trev the ex-racer, who has ulcers that won't respond to treatment. I used to do lessons every week & compete BS/BS most weeks, & now I haven't even been for a lesson for over 2 years. :-( I am heartily sick of Rossdales & I expect that PetPlan are heartily sick of me.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone, EVER manages to keep a horse sound & competing for any length of time. I really know how you feel & sympathise.

Hope that yours comes right. The whole rollercoaster is horrible.

T x

Oh Catembi, I am so very sorry and have so much sympathy. I feel your frustration from the bottom of my heart. I was reading your ulcer posts just the other day and wondering what you do when you get into that situation. Thank you for your sympathy. Fingers crossed for Trevor.
 
I think you are well within your rights to be feeling rubbish. That is an absolutely rotten run of "luck". I really hope that it isn't as bad as you are expecting. Sorry I have no experience with the issues you are going through but have had rotten luck the past year so can sympathise and also say that there might well be a bit of light at the end of the tunnel so don't give up yet.

I got my first horse (who was absolutely perfect for me) nearly 3 years ago, we had the year of getting to know each other and still did really well at riding club stuff, then we moved yards, couldn't get out to shows and generally lost our mojo, she just didn't feel right either. Moved yards at the start of last year ready to take on riding club stuff again only to have back/saddle problems (which I think had been brewing for a while despite me getting the saddle checked), got over that and then my horse injures herself (puncture wound to coffin joint and severe ligament damage) and vets have said it is unlikely she'll be ridden again, mine told me I should consider PTS. She was 4/10ths lame. However, 6 months on, we appear to be getting somewhere, she is barefoot and sound in trot on sand in a 10-15m circle, sound in trot on the straight on a hard surface. Ok we won't be doing riding club stuff again but I think we might be able to enjoy a bit of hacking. I really hope you get better news.
 
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