Game: find a first horse that wouldn't overhorse a competent novice

TigerTail said:
Exactly! Just doesnt work like that Im afraid - or theyd be looking for a few years. TBH if the person needed a trainer to go with them to purchase a horse they shouldnt be purchasing - they should part loan until competent enough not to rely on others opinions. That would stop a lot of the over horsing!
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Rubbish!
 
Paulag said:
So we have a responsible person, with a good budget, and has found someone to come and look at horses with them. But you don't feel that she should buy a horse because she can't travel all over the country and should wait until she has experience she can't get without a horse?
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Welll... Yes. You either travel, or you compromise. We compromised with almost every single pony until Reg, when we were prepared to travel to find the right horse. At which point we found the 'wrong' horse a mile down the road!

If the trainer was refusing to travel more than 30 miles, I'd be tempted to find a knowledgeable friend and go with them, or ditch the trainer and find someone who really wanted me to progress. Especially if I was offering them petrol money and money for seeing the horse!
 
TGM said:
Hacking out alone has always been one of the most dangerous things you can do on a horse - just how dangerous it is depends on the confidence and experience of both horse and rider, and the type and amount of hazards you are likely to encounter. Taking a horse away from the security of its herd will always have the tendency to make a horse more nervous, plus you have no-one on hand to help if something goes wrong (whether that is the horse misbehaving or just a freak accident). I must say that it is more dangerous these days due to the amount of traffic around.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
 
I have a horse for sale who fits the original criteria and price, i have had all novices come and try, he has been perfect with all of them, 2 of them nearly falling off in canter but guess what they are all vets and are busy diagnosing things wrong with my horse which are totally irrevelevant to what they want to do, which is hack. So no doubt they will go out and buy something totally unsuitable because it dosent have a splint or such like, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
 
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TGM if you read the thread you'l see I got personal because Paula implied I had overhorsed myself because I had a freak accident, which is entirely hypocritical given her own circumstances, I am most certainly not over horsed! I had been doing my best to be helpful until that point.

I actually think we need a law whereby the owner should be licensed to own a horse, to try and prevent people buying horses when they arent ready. These overhorsing threads have all been from the owners stand point - what about the horse for pity's sake?! They end up getting labelled as bad in a lot of cases and sold on - or looked after by loads of people so little stability. Its the horse in these cases I pity rather than the owners as the owners have the choice what they buy, the horse cant choose its owner or environment :(
 
TigerTail said:
Ok been wanting to ask this since this morning - do you think you overhorsed yourself because of the lack of suitable ones near to you Paula?
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Snarky, and personal :(

TigerTail said:
You did all those things years ago though......

And no it most certainly doesnt, mine was literally a freak accident combined with my own laziness, yours was because you were on a 4 yr old letting it eat grass by a motorway on your own despite the fact you acknowledge you don't really know what you're doing with her and were still hacking out alone.
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Well we only really have your take on your situation, don't we, so probably a pretty distorted take on it, I expect and tbh there's a pretty strong argument for letting young horses stand around having a graze in close but safe proximity to fast, heavy traffic. Maybe Paula's accident was just that, an accident, which could have happened to many of us, even you :eek:


TigerTail said:
Hell no - I pity the poor mare, a recent vid showed a head nod and slight lameness that hadnt been picked up on. This is just such a classic eg of what the overhorsing yourself thread is all about, and then Paula seems to be implying that its the lack of good horses around Not "around" but "for sale" and she has a point, people keep well operating horses which is why so many are overhorsed, when actually its sheer arrogance to go ahead and buy something entirely unsuitable. Who are you to tell people what is or isn't suitable for them? That is arrogant! But then ive been called a bully and all sorts for having an opinion and sticking to it, for bothering to do the research and know what i talking about etc etcNo, you've been called a bully for making personal comments which seem to be ongoing from previous threads. you are attacking the poster, not her post. - the original dispute was she thinks being a human dietician makes her qualified to be a horse one, and yet she slapped shoes on a horse who had previously been barefoot comfortably because she went slightly pottery after she bought her....... its just so many yawning gaps in knowledge and yet a superior attitude with it - lethal combination, and one ive had to watch just recently that resulted in the death of the horse.
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WTF has that got to do with anything? Many capable, knowledgeable, competent horsepeople would do the same, including many pros who it would be damn near impossible to overhorse.

TigerTail said:
Its the horse in these cases I pity rather than the owners as the owners have the choice what they buy, the horse cant choose its owner or environment :(
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If only you could have them all, eh, and save them from all us numpties? :rolleyes:
 
Maybe its not possible to buy the 'perfect' horse. Good horses become so through building a bond of love and trust. I think this takes a mimimum of a year for an average person. I've felt, on occasion, overhorsed with both my horses, but with lessons and time I've built up my confidence, and done more and more. This is especially so if its a young horse, and in the spirit of this question, i'd advise the fictional person to look at something aged 17+, and a good bit less cash than £4000.
http://www.britishdressage.co.uk/classifieds/category/horses/view/77121?page=5
Was looking idly over horses today, and think i'd look at this one, even from Cheshire. Not sure how close it is to MK... Its all down south to me. :)
 
Well that was a fun game... :o

Must be nice to be perfect. Lucky lucky horses with perfect owners as well. Bet they live for ever and ever and never get hurt or threatened by horse eating scary stuff.
 
Whilst I haven't read the thread, not have any desire to, that seems to be the cause for tt & ops manner of posting, I think people are being rather quick to jump on tt. I've read posts from op that contain insults & judgemental, rude comments on one or two other threads. And I rather think if you are prepared to give it you should be prepared to take it. So not really the case imo that nasty tt is being mean to poor defenceless novice op. I'm not at all clear what some of tts posts stem from, but I can see what tts manner could stem from.
 
I didn't respond to the original thread by Cortez on 'Overhorsing' as found it quite an arrogant subject. Who is the OP to judge? Who are any of us to judge?

What is the definition of 'Overhorsed' please. Buying something that, with time and instruction, we can build up a fantastic partnership with and achieve our dreams or something downright dangerous?

Is it better to be underhorsed and get bored quickly and pass it on to someone else?

I don't know the answers. I have been both under and over (in my view) in the past and am now probably slightly over horsed again in that I have a youngster who is more talented than I am at jumping however I am more talented than him when he's got 4 feet on the ground. I will teach him schooling/dressage and he will teach me to jump better.
 
LL You have a point but my feel was not that someone was being nasty to poor someone else etc. It was more basic than that e.g it's not nice to read posts where folk get to riled up and personal. In the end we are here to talk horses the wonderful creatures we are fortunate to know. I personally thought that the post talking about a possible accident was over the mark. It wouldn't have mattered who posted it because it's not personal and most of us didn't know the history and didn't need to - just wanted less argy bargy.
 
Billie1007 said:
http://www.horsemart.co.uk/all_rounder_horse_5_yrs_15_2_hh_piebald_bedfordshi/advert/245524

Not sure if this girl has been posted already as I haven't read all the posts! Could do with knocking a bit off the price but she looks like fun!

I have now read the thread and I see the 'game' was over some time ago :)
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That's a nice horse Billie..I found a really lovely one in done deal..taller and lighter but with the most unusual markings. Still only 3 though. Look what you've done Paula! You got me looking at horses and I don't want one..I don't I don't ...do I ?
 
TrasaM said:
That's a nice horse Billie..I found a really lovely one in done deal..taller and lighter but with the most unusual markings. Still only 3 though. Look what you've done Paula! You got me looking at horses and I don't want one..I don't I don't ...do I ?
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Agree really nice looks like my first horse:) the last picture in the pink shirt looks like my riding style too:o
 
Ooh good luck FW hope the youngster is worth it.

I did a 15hr round trip to buy a weanling, that was 3 yrs ago and I'm just about to back him, was definitely worth it :)
 
I think for anyone in that position looking for what they are - local decent riding schools would be a safe bet.

My local decent RS always has nice horses for sale...
 
Well - having read this thread am I surprised that you are unable to find a suitable horse? No because with all that attitude no one who had such a paragon horse would need to be selling it to you.
 
littlelegs said:
Whilst I haven't read the thread, not have any desire to, that seems to be the cause for tt & ops manner of posting, I think people are being rather quick to jump on tt. I've read posts from op that contain insults & judgemental, rude comments on one or two other threads. And I rather think if you are prepared to give it you should be prepared to take it. So not really the case imo that nasty tt is being mean to poor defenceless novice op. I'm not at all clear what some of tts posts stem from, but I can see what tts manner could stem from.
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I've kept off because it got unpleasant. I was hoping this thread would be a bit of fun and also illustrate how difficult it is to find a nice horse these days. Generally do my best to be polite, pleasant and helpful and have been a member of several animal forums for a number of years in the stuff I used to do in exotic rescue and nutrition without having a big fall out.

TTs dislike of me stems from the fact that I freely point out to people that 99% of supplements/alternative remedies sold for horses are a waste of money or possibly even detremental and make claims that are probably in contravention of advertising standards because there is no scientific evidence. She also believes that I am mistreating my horse by shoeing it, rather than leaving her footsore like her previous owner, spending a fortune on supplements and never riding in the road.

Normally i wouldn't bother to stand up to a bully online as life is too short. The fact that I have put my foot down over the supplement issue is that I am concerned that people who are desperate to help their horses with serious problems are being taken for a ride for money they can I'll afford. This has been clamped down in the human supplement market and I am horrified that these people seem to have turned their attention to horses. So I will continue to ask for robust evidence to be given for any nutritional claims made.

I think this thread should be closed now and I will certainly no longer be commenting on it. With greatest apologies to those of you who joined in with the original spirit of it. There were some nice horses there and my hypothetical lady may well have found her dream horse.
 
Wheels said:
Ooh good luck FW hope the youngster is worth it.

I did a 15hr round trip to buy a weanling, that was 3 yrs ago and I'm just about to back him, was definitely worth it :)
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Thanks wheels. I am going to see two maybe three but the furthest away one is the one I like best on "paper". :D

Glad yours was worth it. I am looking for a yearling or 2 year old.
 
Paulag- firstly, tt is of a different opinion to yourself, that isn't bullying imo. And like I say, whatever yourself & tt have disagreed over is irrelevant. But having read some posts of yours in another section of the forum, that were rude, I simply thought it only fair to point out that whatever has gone on with you & tt on this thread should not be solely laid to blame with tt.
 
Couple things here I'm puzzled about. Horses become good horses through consistency and mutual respect. Horses do no "love" in the way we like to think they do, but alas we wonder why so many problems emerge. I love my horses dearly. However, if they left and were treated exactly the same they would not pine for me as a lost love. Hard to get that Hollywood notion of horses out of our heads but magic bonding and love does not heal all.

And Emilie, what are you on about with perfect horses and perfect owners in a snarky tone? Ive spent a lot of time and effort in having good horses myself and sending equally as good ones back to their owners. And I have never been one who wouldn't ask for help when I need it. Because I don't know it all. I'm very fortunate that I have a very talented horseman in my husband. I need help you bet I ask for it. Being humble is part of the reason my horses are nice to deal with.

Terri
 
Equilibrium Ireland said:
And I have never been one who wouldn't ask for help when I need it. Because I don't know it all. I'm very fortunate that I have a very talented horseman in my husband. I need help you bet I ask for it. Being humble is part of the reason my horses are nice to deal with.

Terri
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Eaxctly! What's wrong with asking for help? I think you can spend your whole life living and breathing horses but that doesn't mean you know everything. The people who asks questions and advice are usually the ones with the nicest, best cared for horses! :rolleyes: :)
 
Paulag said:
I've kept off because it got unpleasant. I was hoping this thread would be a bit of fun and also illustrate how difficult it is to find a nice horse these days. Generally do my best to be polite, pleasant and helpful and have been a member of several animal forums for a number of years in the stuff I used to do in exotic rescue and nutrition without having a big fall out.

TTs dislike of me stems from the fact that I freely point out to people that 99% of supplements/alternative remedies sold for horses are a waste of money or possibly even detremental and make claims that are probably in contravention of advertising standards because there is no scientific evidence. She also believes that I am mistreating my horse by shoeing it, rather than leaving her footsore like her previous owner, spending a fortune on supplements and never riding in the road.

Normally i wouldn't bother to stand up to a bully online as life is too short. The fact that I have put my foot down over the supplement issue is that I am concerned that people who are desperate to help their horses with serious problems are being taken for a ride for money they can I'll afford. This has been clamped down in the human supplement market and I am horrified that these people seem to have turned their attention to horses. So I will continue to ask for robust evidence to be given for any nutritional claims made.

I think this thread should be closed now and I will certainly no longer be commenting on it. With greatest apologies to those of you who joined in with the original spirit of it. There were some nice horses there and my hypothetical lady may well have found her dream horse.
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Actually my dislike of you stems from the fact you bought a 4 yr old, are having to keep it on full livery because you dont know what you're doing, were oblivious to the fact its slightly lame in trot since being shod - seem to think you cant ride on the road bf :rolleyes:, think you know it all about equine nutrition because you are a human nutritionist. You would actually find we are in agreement over a most supplements if you bothered to take your head out of your rear end once in a while.
I also cannot stand those that call bully because someone has an opinion and is willing to stand up for it, and play the holier than thou victim card despite starting the snarky comments!

I was actually trying to be helpful until you implied I was over horsed which i find so hypocritical i blew. As I said before, my thoughts are with the horses of the people who have been over horsed - they cant chose their owners.
 
I guess emilie is me?
Just some people get so uppity on here and seem to think noone should get a horse unless they are perfect. Wasn't aimed at anyone in particular and certainly not you ei!
 
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