Gastroplus. hmm.

I don't think you are reading my posts completely ... I have not once 'rubbished' and 'discredited' omeprazole .. as you can see from any of the threads on here about Ulcers, there are many things which people have tried and found worked for their horse, which may not be effective on another horse. I have also seen horses very successfully treated with GG .. but , as you can also see from threads on here, it is not always (in some cases .. note I am not saying never) 100% successful long term.
I can only report what I found with my horse which did not respond 100% when given GG or the omeprazole which we ordered from the US.
If you want proof that I am not some 'alias' and a promoter , feel free to contact me via PM I can then provide you with as much detail as you would like , or else perhaps contact Mistatiger on here .. she can confirm that I really do exist and no .. I do not work for any Equine related company. I live in Germany and I did quite enjoy keeping up with what was going on in the UK via this forum, but some of the threads on here are starting to leave a bad taste in the mouth and I can now fully understand why many many people have stopped coming on here



Nudibranch said:
Right. What's that - one post? Coincidence or what....

I wouldn't find these blatant promotional attempts so irritating if they didn't continually try and discredit a tried and tested cure, i.e. omeprazole. Then attempt to claim a rubbish herbal concoction will work instead. There, I've said it. Go push the button, I care not. I just hope people might think twice before believing the poor "science" behind it and that includes some seriously spurious data. The internet is rife with faux medical products in both the human and animal world, and playing on peoples' worries and fears by selling snake oil is in my opinion despicable.
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I have to say I am surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has - everybody is entitled to their opinion without being slagged off for it and if it worked for my boy why can't I say so without having to put up with some of these comments I don't know. Nobody is enjoying this particularly and it is just spoiling it for others. Forums I believe are for people to express and share their thoughts and opinions without having to feel intimidated - that is my understanding of it. Anyway what works for one may not work for another that is life and if you can't stop being so negative I will report this to the appropriate people.
 
So what was the final outcome did you get to the bottom of the problem ? Just interested there are so many different situations
 
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I have to say I am surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has - everybody is entitled to their opinion without being slagged off for it and if it worked for my boy why can't I say so without having to put up with some of these comments I don't know. Nobody is enjoying this particularly and it is just spoiling it for others. Forums I believe are for people to express and share their thoughts and opinions without having to feel intimidated - that is my understanding of it. Anyway what works for one may not work for another that is life and if you can't stop being so negative I will report this to the appropriate people.
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Absolutely agree and a point I was trying to make politely earlier in the thread.
Just to clarify the 9 hirses mentioned in my previous post were not all mine and are not all based on my yard some of them were clients horses. There really is no need to get personal as I said earlier we all want the best for our horses.
 
Hi Ozzie H,
Yes, I got to the bottom of the problem. My boy was scoped and found to have gastric ulcers which were successfully treated with Peptizole (cheaper version of Gastroguard.... 1 syringe treats 700kg , so as my boy only weighs 500kg, 1 months supply on full dose only costs £400 which I'm happy to pay for a product my vet recommends). I use a maintenance product called Feedmark Gastric Comfort on a daily basis and Ranitidine 1.5 hour before I ride.
 
Caramac71 said:
Excuse my ignorance, but do the calmer cookies contain any banned substance? We've been using these when traveling our young horse and they are the only instant calmer that actually seem to make a difference with her. She's not competing yet and when she is it won't be at a level where anyone's going to test! But I don't like to think we are giving something we shouldn't.
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Any calmer of any sort is expressly banned for use at competition under FEI rules it is the intent that is in contravention of FEI rules and not the substance per se. This is what annoys me when any manufacturer states that there product does not contain any substance that is banned as they are being economical with the truth. Owners believe when they see that statement that it is safe to use it . However that is not the case!
When I say FEI rules that also means under any of the affiliated disciplines!
I really hope nobody views this as defamatory as it appears my previous post did, funny that!
 
Scatterbrain said:
Hi Ozzie H,
Yes, I got to the bottom of the problem. My boy was scoped and found to have gastric ulcers which were successfully treated with Peptizole (cheaper version of Gastroguard.... 1 syringe treats 700kg , so as my boy only weighs 500kg, 1 months supply on full dose only costs £400 which I'm happy to pay for a product my vet recommends). I use a maintenance product called Feedmark Gastric Comfort on a daily basis and Ranitidine 1.5 hour before I ride.
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Great glad you got it all sorted thanks for the info
 
chrisritch said:
No.
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If you think thats the case read this and see if you still think that !
It is from the FEI regulations on clean sport which is also adopted by all the disciplines.


Persons administering a herbal or so called natural product to a horse or pony for health reasons or to affect its performance, having been informed that the plant origin of its ingredients do not violate the FEI regulations, may have been misinformed.

The use of any herbal or natural product to affect the performance of a horse or pony in a calming (tranquilising) or an energising (stimulant) manner is expressly forbidden by FEI regulations. The use of a calming product during competition may also have important safety consequences.
 
My horse was on Gastroplus for 3 weeks and due to his behaviour on the ground and ridden getting more erratic and dangerous whilst on GP I had him scoped today, grade 2 ulcers. Now on a different course of treatment, already seems more settled. I no longer have insurance money so feel I have wasted the best part of £300 along with making my horse very uncomfortable and also risking my health with his ridden behaviour. Have to say I feel slightly cheated as the marketing does lead you to believe it's the magic potion to cure all. I understand it may work for some, but the marketing is very misleading IMO
 
I enquired about it when mine had been diagnosed with a grade 3 linear ulcer as was just looking round as the vet supplement was £86.66 a pop for something they just rebrand with their own sticker and costs a fraction of that. She wouldn't tell me the price of it? Was I just supposed to order and wait for my credit card bill to arrive?

Also I'm now giving a bespoke supplement from Hack Up a go I'd go down that route if i were you rather than feed your horse spices and bloody Licorice! May aswell give him a curry and a bag of allsorts.
 
Lol, its probably not...my removed post has been quoted by several of the alter egos so its still visible.

And still no answer, what is the active ingredient? Or is it offensive to ask?
 
chrisritch said:
I enquired about it when mine had been diagnosed with a grade 3 linear ulcer as was just looking round as the vet supplement was £86.66 a pop for something they just rebrand with their own sticker and costs a fraction of that. She wouldn't tell me the price of it? Was I just supposed to order and wait for my credit card bill to arrive?

Also I'm now giving a bespoke supplement from Hack Up a go I'd go down that route if i were you rather than feed your horse spices and bloody Licorice! May aswell give him a curry and a bag of allsorts.
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Do you mind? I nearly choked on my dinner at "curry & a bag of allsorts"!
 
I can not understand why anyone would give themselves or their horses anything that has not a clinical trial.
Most of these 'natural' uppers, downers, go fasters, healers what ever, a marketed as food supplements so they get round the drug regulations, so it they have not to undergo stringent testing that all drugs that your vet or doctor prescribes, which cost money and takes years. So why are they so expensive? Someone somewhere is making loads of money and I suggest its the people that pay for the marketing.
Now we have all tried natural remedies in our time but the big but is they cost very little, herbs are cheap you can buy them by the sack load if you google hard enough.
Here's a thought. Every time you do not use a licensed medicine, which may seem expensive but actually has been tested as likely to be effective and deemed safe, the drug companies are loosing money, I know its sad, but they are their to make money so less R&D will go in to developing new medicines that are safe and effective. I am old enough to remember when apart from bute and a couple of antibiotics there was little to treat your horse with.
 
But there has been clinical trials, I have been asking if anyone requested them, but don't seem to get an answer. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I did not try it until my vet had had a look at the trial data. Not sure why there is such a fuss about it, there are many different things that work for different horses, and at the end no one is forced to try anything. I for one had a positive result, but as it seems you are not allowed to say that on this forum without being accused of being an alias, I will leave it there
 
I don't want or need to see "clinical trial data" or their "testimonials". At the end of the day, it's a bag of vastly overpriced spices claimed to cure both stomach and hind gut ulcers. Utter nonsense in my experience. I feel I was fooled into buying it by the constant free promotion the company receives on this site. Not impressed.
 
Never heard of the product.

Have checked Veterinary journals out of interest and can't find any research. If the "clinical trials" are unpublished then they are worthless ... more to the point, I have clearly been doing forums "wrong" my whole life. Apparently one needs to keep an eye on many forums of which one is not a member, wait for a thread that related to a topic/product one feels strongly about, and then join the forum to defend said topic/product. Better get Googling. I reeeeeeally swear by Bewer's Yeast instead of expensive probiotics. I'm going to go find some anti-Brewer's Yeast naysayers, join their forum and tell them how it saved my life.
 
ok.. so I am a liar as well as an alias Scatterbrain.. thanks for clearing that up for me. Next time some comments on other products on here that worked for them but does not work for me I know how to react after seeing how this has developed ......
 
I have to say I find this thread slightly ridiculous. Like all products it has obviously worked for some and not for others. People should be able to post positive reviews of products and negative reviews (though negative comments from people who haven't actually tried it seem a bit unfair to the company). There are feeds that my boy reacts to and does very poorly on but I don't say they are bad products as other people have amazing good results, I do however say my boy didn't do well. On the other hand where there are products I've found good I should be able to say without fear of backlash. And for the record I've looked at the products concerned pretty seriously (was considering them for my boys but actually they're okay without) but otherwise have absolutely no connections.
 
Of course people can post positive or negative reviews on products, we're all entitled to our opinion. It's the sheer volume of over the top reviews that certain usernames post, that raises eyebrows. Take the time to do a search on gastroplus using the search feature on here, and you'll get the drift.
 
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