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I was interested to see what type of animals would do well when I heard who was judging the GSDs but I have to say I am impressed with the top placings esp Best Bitch, she is a real stunner and she works too!

The BIS looks like a super little chap too.
 
The Sealyham that won BIS also went BIS at The World Show in Stockholm last summer so quite an achievement to do the 2. Glad to see the Standard Poodle get RBIS, thought it may have been his year to get the top place as though I am not a poodle person this dog is so beautifully produced and presented by Mike Gadsby you cannot help but admire it
 
I was pleasantly surprised when i saw the GSD results too. And even more surprised that I enjoyed my day there on Saturday. The crowds were nothing like as bad as I remembered, don't know if it was because I normally always go on Working/pastoral day or if there were less people there generally this year.
Thanks to daughters vet student status got free show programme, and very nice cup of coffee and biccies whilst listening to a talk from Ronnie Irving and Steve Dean (KC vet). It does seem as if the KC have really had a wake up call and are trying to put their house in order, but very slowly
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He talked about bringing in health schemes and said it would take time, I was so tempted to point out that GSDs have been trying to get the KC to accept health schemes for years (I was hip x raying my dogs in 1975!), but had to bite my tongue as I wasn't supposed to be at the talk anyhow. Steve Dean spoke a lot of sense, saying that majority of problems came from people having "just one litter", and also pointing out to the vet students that some breeders knew far more about their particular breed than most vets did.
I also asked the lady at the Accredited Breeders stand why they didn't set a maximum for things like hip scores rather than just saying dogs should be hip scored. More waffle in reply I am afraid
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Had a quick look round Discover Dogs, GSD had a lovely temperament but the GSD stand was not as proactive as some. Daughter said in passing the whippet stand, I'd like a whippet, and took us 10 minutes to escape from the lady, got lists of breeders and everything. I still like the portugese podengos, but think we have our dog quota at present.
Also watched the flyball in the main arena which was great, and of course did plenty of shopping. Evie is going to be left in the kennel and run this morning with a stuffed Kong, not sure how impressed she will be.
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I definitely think Crufts is more enjoyable without a dog, you actually get to see the rest of the show instead of just the breed ring.
 
I can't believe the only year Crufts isn't televised is the year a Hungarian Vizsla wins the gundog group.
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And it was partly owned by Josh's breeder too - I'd of loved to have seen it.
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I think probably because it was an American dog, so not subject to our KC rules re docking. But don't forgt that it is only younger dogs in this country that cannot be legally docked, so you will see plenty of older dogs being shown with docked tails. Although I think there is some rule about shows where the general public pay for admission .
 
But surely if you are showing at a KC show - then the same rules should apply all around.

And as most of the dogs showing at adult level are post ban - no need to see anything docked surely.

P.s Any news on Saffie??
 
You would have thought so but the KC are a law to themselves. I think the ban has only been in force about 4 years (could be totally wrong) and a lot of the dogs in the higher classes are over this age.
I am going to call Ben tonight to get an update on Saff. Fingers crossed .
 
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I can't believe the only year Crufts isn't televised is the year a Hungarian Vizsla wins the gundog group.
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And it was partly owned by Josh's breeder too - I'd of loved to have seen it.
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yes i was as equally annoyed!
 
MM - didn't the GSD delegation who recently suggested to the KC that they shouldn't register anything bred from animals untested or anything bred from animals with a less than desirable result for HD, ED, haem and no DNA test (and appropriate tests for other breeds) get a more than lukewarm response?

Seems like common sense to me....
 
Yes I thought it was quite hopeful, but the lady I spoke to at the accredited Breeders stand told me that bringing a maximum hip score in would be very difficult because there was so much more to take into account than hips, which I agree with to a point but you have to start somewhere. At the very least in Shepherds all breeding stock should be breed surveyed. Although I may be shooting mysself in the foot there as I think Evie is going to be too big for a Class 1 even if all the other bits turn out okay
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Can anyone tell me how the Sealy was even allowed to enter, let alone win, with a docked tail??

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This dog travelled over from the USA to compete and therefore is exempt from the date restrictions on UK docking.

The UK ban on docking started on 27th March 2007. IF a UK dog was docked LEGALLY after that date it may not be shown in England and Wales where the public pay an admission fee, but they may be at a show where no admission fee is charged. Scotland and NI they may be shown even if docked legally after that date.
 
So I ws on the right track then
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Can't believe its only 2 years since docking ban, in that case definitely most of the dogs at Crufts would have been legally docked prior to then I would have thought.
 
I thought the On line veiwing was great. I wasn't able to get there in person, but this service made it possible for me to see a lot of the bits that interested me.
Regarding the post on Docking--in the breeders competition there were some docked and some undocked dogs in some of the breeds, depending on the ages of the dogs.
PS the Border Collies won this class.
 
Temsik - do you have vizsla's too then? There are a few of us on the forum that do.
This is Josh with his partner in crime, Daisy - he is my 2nd vizsla and his full name is Bitcon Star Voyager, and he is a star too.
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Loved the Sealyham, Poodle and Vizla, also that Dalmation but have to say, sorry HH, but I was really disappointed with the GSD
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I can't believe the only year Crufts isn't televised is the year a Hungarian Vizsla wins the gundog group.
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And it was partly owned by Josh's breeder too - I'd of loved to have seen it.
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yes i was as equally annoyed!

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You could have watched online! It (she if I remember correctly) was a stunner! My pick out of the Gundog group.
 
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I can't believe the only year Crufts isn't televised is the year a Hungarian Vizsla wins the gundog group.
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And it was partly owned by Josh's breeder too - I'd of loved to have seen it.
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yes i was as equally annoyed!

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You could have watched online! It (she if I remember correctly) was a stunner! My pick out of the Gundog group.

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My pick too for sure....shame it was fat
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I wasn't there and just going by my personal preference I prefered the bitch over the dog and the pic on the Crufts website isn't the most flattering - but he looks like a good type of male.

He has won under a lot of eminent breed specialists so I defer to their superior knowledge.

Also, at the risk of repeating myself, the Crufts atmosphere is very different to what a lot of GSDs are used to so they don't tend to perform so well.
 
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this - if people of the calibre of Brian Wootton and Magrit van Dorsen regard him highly, then so do I!

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I think we will have to. I think the second image in the below video sums up my point and feelings on a breed I love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVvZKK21X2k

I still haven't scanned Heidi's paperwork for you to have a look at. I'll try and dig it out tomorrow!
 
It is an interesting video. I have the Ernest Hart book.

It depends how far back you want to go. When Utz vom Haus Shutting and Klodo vom Bloxberg first hit the scene, their 'new' type wasn't embraced by all but they are now known as some of the most important animals in the breed.

I am basing my thoughts and feelings on a lifetime with these dogs, I was at my first show at two weeks old (don't remember much of what happened, though :P)

I belong to a working club. All of those dogs have what you would consider as a roach back (I don't think Lesko has a roach, IMO, he has a sloping croup) and would be of the new type that seems to divide people so much, and they all work, very well. None are crippled or in bad health.

Thanks for this, it is taking my mind of a long, boring article about dominance in dogs which I am trying to translate into 'readable' :P

Look forward to seeing the papers.
 
The American GSD in that video is horrendous, the modern German type pictured is the one I prefer , (We played that music at my Mums funeral
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). With regard to the Shepherd male, which I am presuming was the open winner, not actually seen who went BOB, I saw him when I was stewarding at a Ch show last year and whereas I liked his overall construction I thought he was very loose in hocks. This does seem to be a problem that is being overlooked by some judges, at the same Ch show I was amazed to see the judge move dogs away to check soundness but not penalise those who were very unsound.
Would love to see your girls pedigree.
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ETS. As H-H mentions Lesko I was obviously wrong about the open winner going BoB, so I will shut up now. Kindly disregard the above comments, I was talking about the wrong dog.
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