Getting him off the forehand-HELP!

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Okay, so G's schooling has come on tremendously these past few months I'm so happy with him and we're consistently getting placed in Prelims and Novices and always in the mid 60's% wise so I am extremely pleased with him.

I will get days with this horse, like the past couple of weeks where he will just be fantastic, from the minute my backside is in the saddle he's working through from behind, in a lovely soft outline, is supple and just goes so so nicely.....

....However, we will also get days like today where I could strangle him as he is CONSTANTLY on the forehand. He doesn't hollow anymore, that's a thing of the past (thank god!) he will always be in some sort of outline now. However, I only want it if it's true and he's carrying himself and not just fixed there by me like he was today.

I tried EVERYTHING today to try and get this horse off his forehand and working from behind but to absolutely no avail. I tried lots of halt-walk-halt transitions and knew he was on the forehand instantly as he couldn't hold himself in the halt, if I lenghtened the contact at all he just dropped forward into walk. So I did lots of halt-walk-halt transition, lots of walk-trot-walk transitions, tried to slow the pace within the walk and trot, so got him walking really, really slowly and then pushed it forward again as I thought that might help him get his hocks underneath him but no, tried the same in trot. I then,after about 15 mins gave up with all the transitions and put him on a 15 metre circle and tried to leg yield in and out of the circle, then changed rein and repeated, this helped a little bit but not much. I then did some rein-back or should I say tried to, he is normally great at rein back but today kept evading and either moving sideways or forwards (he bloody knew what I was asking him to do, he's done it enough!) we finally got about 2 steps and I immediately pushed him forward into trot, this normally works great but 2 steps just wasn't enough for him to get his hocks underneath him.


In the end after about 45 mins I just gave up as it obviously just wasnt going to happen today. I SWEAR that horse just comes out some days actually thinking 'I'm not going to work nicely today, I WILL be on the forehand and heavy in her hands etc etc' I just dont see how he can work so beautifully throughout the week and then today just be such a disaster?

I have a lesson next weekend so will ask for advice then and see what my instructor thinks but does anyone have any other tips for lifting him off his forehand? And would anyone have done differently to me today had their horse been doing similar?
 
Some lateral work intermixed between your halts-walks maybe? Maybe within some circles and loops?
 
I think you are on the right line of thinking doing transitions, but maybe step it up a bit and go for trot-halt-trot, or walk-canter.
Also, trot down the long side, halt, half pirouette to change direction then straight off in trot again.

Have you been schooling all week - could he be bored of going in the school?
Or he may just be having a bad day.
 
Just a couple of thoughts

Does he just 'lack a little something'? I wonder if maybe he doesn't quite have the omph to do it every time?

you say if you give him a longer rein he just comes back to walk. how seriously are you having to work to keep him going without him becoming sluggish (if he is sluggish)

I presume its not so bad that as soon as you take your leg off he grinds to a halt?

Sorry for being so nosy just trying to build a picture
 
Agree with others, mine sometimes feels heavy. If I get this I do just give in and go for a hack instead, on the buckle and just concentrate on getting him going forward - if he feels like it I let him let off some steam (it's always there somewhere) and give it a day or two. Next time, he always stops at the gate to the school and is lovely to work with.
 
Okay, in reply to people's questions...

Tallyho- I tried some leg yielding but that wasn't really working today as he was being a git. But yes, more lateral work could've worked.

Roody2- I did a few walk to canter transitions towards the end which helped a bit, but I think I was getting a little fed up by this time and giving in. I'll definitely give that exercise a go, sounds good. Yes, this was his fourth time in the school this week so admittedly he has been doing quite a bit. I was meant to hack today but was just so busy that by time I'd got down yard and done everything it was a bit too late and getting a bit dark so opted for school instead. He has been hacked a lot lately though.

Soulfull- he does lack a little something sometime syes, I ride in spurs but don't CONTSTANTLY need to nag, if I took my leg away he would still carry on, he was fairly forward today but maybe not as forward as earlier on in the week which doesn't help I know. Have been thinking about upping his feed a bit anyway as there is 0 grass at the moment for him.
 
Okay, in reply to people's questions...

Tallyho- I tried some leg yielding but that wasn't really working today as he was being a git. But yes, more lateral work could've worked.

Roody2- I did a few walk to canter transitions towards the end which helped a bit, but I think I was getting a little fed up by this time and giving in. I'll definitely give that exercise a go, sounds good. Yes, this was his fourth time in the school this week so admittedly he has been doing quite a bit. I was meant to hack today but was just so busy that by time I'd got down yard and done everything it was a bit too late and getting a bit dark so opted for school instead. He has been hacked a lot lately though.

Soulfull- he does lack a little something sometime syes, I ride in spurs but don't CONTSTANTLY need to nag, if I took my leg away he would still carry on, he was fairly forward today but maybe not as forward as earlier on in the week which doesn't help I know. Have been thinking about upping his feed a bit anyway as there is 0 grass at the moment for him.

Ok that's great! Try spillers slow release I found it perfect for just the problem you describe. Also varying his work as much as poss, even if it is only raised trotting poles this will help him keep off his forehand too along with the walk to canter, seems to get them interested .
Good luck let us know how you go
 
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