Getting on a young horse

hippyembo

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I have just recently had the most awful experience with my new horse. I bought him from a dealer (although I know not too - but it was through a friend and I thought it would be fine). He is only just 4years old. I had him vetted and got him home and all was lovely, after a few days settling him in, I couldn't wait any longer and went to get on on the concrete yard and whilst doing so (with only a foot in the stirrup) he bucked and sent me flying to the floor - he then ran off, but being a determined and confident rider I caught him and took him in the lunge school and with a friend did some basic ground work - putting weight on the sadlle etc and got on. My new horse was not happy and was terrified. But I didnt want the fall to be his lasting memory.

I decided that maybe the horse wasn't as baked as he was sold to me and I had a professional rider and horse trainer come up and see what he thought, he also thought the horse hadn't been backed properly and explained that I would need to send the horse to him for a fee to be re-schooled. I decided to do lungeing and lots of ground work until the date when he could go to the trainer - which I carried out for a good few days but I couldn't resist anymore and I tried to get on again- I lunged, did ground work, got half on the saddle and then got on nervously. For a few days this was going well, and I thought I might have solved the problem myself, but oh no, the next saturday a little girl on her pony was in the school and this time I tried again, to find that as I got on my new horse did an almighty buck, sent me behind the saddle on his rump and went bucking bronco around the school, giving me the option of staying on his rump and the situation getting worse or me falling as best I could. I went for the fall and found myself in hospital on spinal boards etc as I fell badly.

I then asked the trainer if he could take my new horse that weekend, and he did. He spent a week re-backing him, he worked and worked on my horse re-backing him and then getting on and off hundreds of times until he could get on and off with absolutely no problem in all situations, after two weeks (when I had stopped feeling sore) he called for me to have a go at getting on again. As you can imagine I was a bit nervy now, but I tried, but as soon as I walked close and took hold of the stirrup the horse went ape.

We decided to leave it that day as we weren't getting anywhere and the trainer continued having fun and training my new horse over jumps, x country etc.

I tried multiple times to get on, some days he would be fine and some days he would go balistic again.

We still havn't worked out the problem he has with me, we have tried videoing how I get on and how the trainer gets on, and there is no difference. I have had very humiliating getting on lessons on a yard oldie just to make sure, and again no problems. We had his back checked by a specialist and there was nothing wrong, checked his feet etc, nothing.

I was dispairing last weekend thinking I would have to sell my new horse when one evening the trainer told me to take off my body protector, to come onto the concrete (yes concrete not the nice soft landing of a school if anything goes wrong!) and he fed my little horse polos as I played in the stirrup, adding weight, jumped up and down, went half up and then all the way up.

And now four successful rides later -after having jumped and had lots of fun on my new horse I think we have made a break through - and I need to get shares in Polos as every time I get on we use about half a pack!!!!

So the reason for my story is that so many training books tell you how to school a young horse, how to back your horse etc but if you have the fundamental problem of getting on for whatever reason no one seems to give any advice - so my advice is is that if you have the same problem, dont give up, try everything, polos may not work for your horse, but find their thing that they are afraid of and remove it, and try and find something they like that you can use. If polos work, use polos!

We think my horse was frightened the first time I got on by a lose girth and he held that memory against me, but now he associates me getting on with polos, and now he cant wait to have the bridle on to get his minty treat.

I still have my heart in my mouth every time, but he is so distracted I am fine.

I know I cant feed polos forever, but for now and until he is comfortable I will always have a pack on me and a helper to feed them.

I hope this helps someone out there who is having similar problems. It is worth it - dont give up!
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Tarquin was like this when I first backed him. We both had a horrendous experience the first time we went loose in the school and I didn't get on him again for three months. After trying to ride him being led off another horse he grew in confidence and finally we just got on him. He was always most likely to ditch me within the first 10 minutes and then was fine. A year on I can finally be confident that everytime I get on a do not have to cling onto the neck strap for grim death. I have no access to a school and work long hours which I felt has delayed our progress but in the end he is fine now so I can completly see where you have come from.
As for the polo's, when I broke in a show pony she refused to stand still to be mounted and I had to be legged up from a walk. She would rear vertical and often flipped over. In the end I gave her a polo each time I got on and the distraction was enough to get a foot in the stirrup and get on. She is fine now and doesn't need polos.
 
I backed Bodey (the coloured in my sig below) 16 months ago now, and still every time I get on he gets a treat (he likes the herbal treats). I know some people don’t believe in giving treats but the way to Bodey’s heart (and trust) was through his belly. If he is at all spooky or unsure I can get his concentration back on me straight away, just with a hand in my pocket and at the beginning it did get me out of a few sticky situations.

So I totally agree with you, and I wish you every luck with your new ned
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sorry to hear that you had such a horrible time, and very well done for persevering. if he associated you with whatever made him buck before, it sounds as if he's forgotten it now.
hope you both continue to go from strength to strength!
 
What a fantastic story to share with us, I guess your horse was associating you with his nasty scary experiences, it's wonderful that the two of you are getting on well now.

And welcome to the forum - BTW, it's addictive!
 
I had a TB x WB mare who was backed very badly before I bought her, I had to send her away to be rebacked and when she came home we always had to feed her something to get on - the distraction was enough but we had to be quick! Too many people expect young horses to act like old ones far too soon and end up with a freaked out horse which usually gets the blame. I'm glad that you sorted yours out the sensible way!
 
Well done you for having the confidence to keep trying! I have had a similar problem with a 10y.o ex racehorse. He wouldn't stand for me to gte on and then when i did get on he would rush off and go round with his back up for 5mins or so. I resorted to food and someone holding him to start which seemed to work well and then moved onto me giving him the treat once i was on. This also helped with the rushing off as he waited for his treat. However in the last week he has started to move away when i try to get on and the other day he moved as i ws getting on and i hit the back of the saddle giving him a fright so he reared! I guess its back to square one for him. Its very frustrating at times, but i do find it safer to get on from a mounting block as that way i'm not at so much risk if i am part way on when he starts to move.
 
Well done you, what a great story! Really glad it all worked out!

I have had two young horses who needed polos/sugar lumps to get on. The first I've now had for three years and he is fine without the polos now, unless we go to a show and he gets excited. The youngster is still on sugar lumps, but I am in no hurry to get him off them - small price to pay!
 
Good for you for persevering and wanting to find a solution, rather than just blaming the horse or sending him off in disgrace. And especially for judging that your problems might have come from the horse not understanding/being badly educated/being frightened, rather than just being "bad".

I have to say though (preparing to be soundly flamed) how much of your solution do you think has been facilitated by having an experienced professional to help you by assessing the horse, working with him, and then working with the two of him together? It sounds like you actually - and sensibly - signed on for a program under expert supervision, not just randomly tried things until it either worked or you got so hurt you had to give up.

It is great to offer potential "solutions" like using treats for positive associations or changing tactics - these are time honoured methods of training - but it's one thing to do them on your own, randomly, and quite another to pick a well thought out path based on a first person assessment of the horse and judgement of the situation.

Books are great but they can only ever deal with generalities and usually have to address what "should" happen, even in problem solving. There is no way a book can tell why the horse is reacting the way he is or assess any other aspect of the situation. I always joke that so many natural horsemanship colt starting books start, "first, you take your round pen. . " just as so many traditional breaking books say, "first you take your two experienced helpers . . ." without any discussion of how to proceed if you don't have such luxuries.

I hope I haven't offended anyone but I'm not sure I see this as a story to support blind perseverance or one particular method, rather to show that thinking things out and getting experienced help is often the quickest, safest route to problem solving.

Zipping up the asbestos now . . .
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Good luck with your horse. Hopefully you'll go from strength to strength now you are over this first hurdle.
 
Hi Tarrsteps, I completely agree, that is exactly what I was meaning to say - just probably didnt get it out very well, having professional help was so important in my story, as without it I think I would't have had the guts to try different things or the safety of having a trained professional (who has seen everything) help me in my quest. I was very lucky that pro help was very readily available from Louis King who is an amazing trainer and breaker of horses based in Hertfordshire (have to plug him a little!www.louiskingsporthorsesforsale.com ). I don't know what I would have done without someone 'holding my hand' with this. And you are very right trying to find randomn solutions on your own with a youngster is not the way to go in my opinion - maybe I am just a chicken!

It is nice (well not nice really) but you know what I mean, that I am not the only one who has had similar problems, as I did feel at the time as though I was the only one - being told by people on the yard that 'they had never seen a horse do anything like that before' etc Its just really nice to hear from other people on this thing and share experiences.

Thanks Everyone . Em
 
No, you're not a chicken!!! Where's the sense in scaring your horse, possibly hurting one or both of you and feeling despondent about the whole thing when there was a reasonably quick, safe, sensible solution to be had just by asking someone who knows a bit more about it! And even better, YOU now know a little more about horse training and your horse in particular, which you learned the easy way rather than the hard way.

Keep in mind too, that random experimentation isn't often much fun for the horse. I am all for people working things out for themselves and learning from doing but to my mind that doesn't preclude getting help, it's the reason for doing so.

Absolutely NO shame in it - quite the opposite.

Good luck with your horse. Have fun.
 
Completely agree with the need for professional help. I was very lucky to have a former chief instructor from a major training EC as a next door neighbour and she was extremely helpful with handling issues. I was more than happy to pay her for handling lessons as they were worth their weight in gold (I keep the horses at home and do them on my own, so I can't put up with dangerous behaviour).
 
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