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Isn't this what the "horse refuge" appeal basically is?

They are aiming for £600,000 so they can buy the farm which they currently rent. As they aren't a charity surely this means that any money goes straight to them personally and they have got £230,000 so far.

Why haven't they registered as a charity?
 
I thought exactly the same. Perhaps people would like to give me money so I can buy a nice farm? I promise I'll "rescue" some horses? Anyway, what is the problem with having them pts? Better than where they were before they were taken in I'll bet.
 
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yes i saw this on a couple of forums too and its what i thought
also, one about some nf foals, very similar, if no-one buys them they will be shot...
 
lol, yes, id like to buy a farm and rescue some horses too, i will specialise in event horse 'rescue' for preference
 
I have to say that I never donate to such over the internet, and would only donate to those with charitable status, otherwise anyone can set up a web site and collect 'donations'
 
I know its a refuge for horses, but when I went to see if they had anything there suitable for rehoming, there was nothing. They have horses there (or at least when I went) some over 40 years old, and each one we walked past I was told, not suitable for rehoming, not suitable for rehoming, again and again and again. One poor horse was completely blind, and it made me wonder that especially with that one, who had to live in the whole time, what sort of quality of life did she have? Was it really fair to keep a horse like that going? I know it was the winter when we went, but there was no suitable turnout, and I just felt sorry for them.
 
In what way were they not suitable for rehoming? Were they likely to savage someone? Poor blind horse, I do feel for it.

I would specialise in nice kind RC type horses and then I could "adopt" them to kind people for the bargain price of £5000 after thoroughly home checking them, making suggestions on how to Feng Shui their yards and checking that all 15 of their rugs matched.
 
benson, perhaps none of the horses were suitable for rehoming as they were really 'private', if you see what i mean.
i have no experience of the place beyond what ive read on their site, but i would only give money if they were registered tbh
 
Yep, that maybe so. But the amount there that we were told he is on bute, he is on this that or the other drug just to keep them comfortable, and the only thing they had to look forward to is standing in a stable, because they cant see, it makes me wonder, and this may sound harsh, but what is the point of keeping them. I have no objection to retirement, but thats just as long as they have a nice turnout, lots of love and grooming etc etc. Not saying the lady doesnt love these horses but having so many, they obviously dont get the one to one attention I believe a horse would need when in retiremnet.
 
hmm I'm a bit weary of things like this too, like someone else said, anyone can set up as a charity and request donations/fund raising etc when in fact proceeds fund their own back pockets, a bit like some former members on here.

Once stung, twice as shy and all that, which is a shame because their is alot of genuine folk out there helping these equines.
 
I am sure this is the place that got given a lump sum from a celebrity wasn't it? it was on the local news....

It was either Paul Macartney (who lives just down the road from there) or I have a feeling it was Simon Cowell - defo one of them but I can't remember which :rolleyes:
 
i think iread simon cowell, somewhere

no matter though, even celebrities can be duped, i mean have you heard some or the 'mistakes' cowell has inflicted on the charts in the past :lol:
 
If they were a charity then they would not be paying tax on those donations. As it is they will be paying 40% tax on a lot of it.

There is no reason apart from personal gain for them not to register as a charity.
 
I don't know what we are and aren't allowed to say on the forums, but I know of the Horse Refuge and would suggest that it would be kinder to put at least one or two of the horses to sleep. I'm sure the founder's heart is in the right place and I'm sure its a very difficult situation, but I'm not sure things are being dealt with properly.
 
LittleNemo said:
I don't know what we are and aren't allowed to say on the forums, but I know of the Horse Refuge and would suggest that it would be kinder to put at least one or two of the horses to sleep. I'm sure the founder's heart is in the right place and I'm sure its a very difficult situation, but I'm not sure things are being dealt with properly.
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Exactly what I am trying to say, but put much better than I have!!!
 
unfortunately, im sure there are a lot more of these so called sanctuaries around that are in the same situation - especially when it comes to the animals. Their heart maybe in the right place in that they are caring for either neglected, needy, ill etc horses but their head over rules this and doesnt want them to be PTS.
I have also heard of these type of places where non of their horses are suitable to go for rehoming - and enevitably its because they honestly believe that no one else can provide them with the care that they need and that they provide which is a joke tbh.
 
Just seems pointless keeping some of these horses that basically, lets just admit it, have no quality of life, and spending the money on vets bills, farrier bills, for pain killers etc, and use that money to help the refuge themselves, instead of expecting others to help before helping themselves.
 
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unfortunately, im sure there are a lot more of these so called sanctuaries around that are in the same situation - especially when it comes to the animals. Their heart maybe in the right place in that they are caring for either neglected, needy, ill etc horses but their head over rules this and doesnt want them to be PTS.
I have also heard of these type of places where non of their horses are suitable to go for rehoming - and enevitably its because they honestly believe that no one else can provide them with the care that they need and that they provide which is a joke tbh.
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and then there are the " other" dealers ( sorry, sancturies) where you can buy ( sorry, adopt) and rehome a horse or pony that they have been given ( well, been paid to take!)

and on top of the purchase ( sorry, adoption) price of between £500 and £1000 you then are required to set up a standing order to pay the deaters ( sanctuary) between £50 and £100 per month for the privilage of giving said horse/pony a good home! Not that the dealers (sanctuary would know if its a good home or not as no checks will be done other than the buyers ( re homers) have enough money in the bank to pay the adoption fee and ongoing standing order!!!!!

The really sad thing is that most of these horses/ponies have real physical or emotional problem which is why the owners paid for them to go to the "sancturies" in the first place.

Again it is playing on the emotions of horse lovers who are maybe not as savvy as the likes of us lot on here and other forums!
 
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and then there are the " other" dealers ( sorry, sancturies) where you can buy ( sorry, adopt) and rehome a horse or pony that they have been given ( well, been paid to take!)

and on top of the purchase ( sorry, adoption) price of between £500 and £1000 you then are required to set up a standing order to pay the deaters ( sanctuary) between £50 and £100 per month for the privilage of giving said horse/pony a good home! Not that the dealers (sanctuary would know if its a good home or not as no checks will be done other than the buyers ( re homers) have enough money in the bank to pay the adoption fee and ongoing standing order!!!!!

The really sad thing is that most of these horses/ponies have real physical or emotional problem which is why the owners paid for them to go to the "sancturies" in the first place.

Again it is playing on the emotions of horse lovers who are maybe not as savvy as the likes of us lot on here and other forums!
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Are they like so called rescue centres that buy the horses cheap from sales (sorry rescue them) then charge stupidly high re-homing fees along with a contract, then visit the homes a few months (to say the animal is not being cared for as per the contract) and then remove the horse and start the whole process again with some other poor sole....excellant money money making scheme I say, I don't know how I didnt think of it myself :D :rolleyes:
 
And this is why I only ever donate money to REGISTERED charities.

If they aren't a registered charity then there is no saying where the money might go.

I get sick of seeing these appeals for funds to get a child surgery in america. I'm sure many are genuine but there have been some very sick scams where the child is dead or has nothing to do with the "charity" and the money goes to the scammer. Even if the child is real and the appeal genuine I can't help thinking that 9 times out of 10 if the op genuinely was in the child's best interests it would be provided by the NHS or a proper charity. I would rather donate the money to great ormand st or cancer research or whoever than risk encouraging scammers.

The criteria that registered charities have to fullfill is quite strict and provides you with much better protection when you donate.
 
The criteria that registered charities have to fullfill is quite strict and provides you with much better protection when you donate.
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unfortunately this isnt so :( it should be a lot stricter than it is and unfortunately they do not have any say in what happens to the animals neither which would be a good thing if it were the case.

there are some registered charities that are unscrupulous and gain the publics money by tuggin gon the emotions of animal lovers. - it makes me think twice about actually donating to charities - the majority that are above board and do a fab job loose out because of the minority.
 
I know that being a registered charity doesn't mean that the horses will necessarily be cared for as we hope but it does mean that you aren't simply lining some scammers pockets as they have to adhere to certain accounting rules. They also have to establish that they benefit a certain section of society etc There is a specific criteria they have to pass.

There will always be problems with thing like charities spending too much on advertising or staff costs or fundraising but at least ensuring that you only give to a registered charity you know that people aren't simply pocketing the cash.
 
Have to say Ive noticed a rise in 'charities' unregistered who are advertising horses for sale, not loan but sale!

Unless theres a registered charity number I wouldnt give money, pretty much what has been said already.
 
Any organisation that raises money from the public and has an income exceeding £5,000 is legally obliged to register as a charity. If this refuge has raised more than £200,000 I can't see how they can evade that law.
 
Xlthlx said:
If they were a charity then they would not be paying tax on those donations. As it is they will be paying 40% tax on a lot of it.

There is no reason apart from personal gain for them not to register as a charity.
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To be fair - and I'm not doubting anything you've said at all - but in general applying for charitable status can be a bloody nightmare. And I mean nightmare. Or at least it is in Scotland with the OSCR regulations. It also costs in excess of £6k by the time you get a lawyer to do the Articles and Memorandum etc etc and trying to get one for animals is super hard. There was a small wildlife sanctuary down south somewhere recently who have been operation very honestly and openly and doing some good work which closed as they weren't prepared to put themselves through the hassles and mounds of paperwork.

As I say I don't mean this is the reason for the mentioned 'refuge' but just in general.
 
My sympathies are with the horses involved here, but I am sure they will be happy to live in rented farmland rather than put everyone to the trouble of buying somewhere for them.

I am wondering now about setting up a welfare organisation - a couple of years ago I "rescued" a TB from racing - where he was forced to gallop around and jump fences once a fortnight (depending on his form). I think it is time to establish a refuge for him - I can buy some nice land around this way, with his long legs he will probably need about 20 acres, I will ensure I get some sort of house onsite so I am there to look after him 24/7 and ensure his every need is met, I will make sure it has a few bedrooms so regular donators can come and see him.

I will need to raise about £500k - can you help? I am willing to take on eventing schoolmasters and give them the same chance in life my boy deserves...
 
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