Give up or carry on?

CeeBee

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I lost my beloved horse, owned for almost 20 years since a 2 year old last October. He was super-safe and I could let my totally novice daughters take him out for hacks etc. knowing he would look after them.

Although devastated by his death, I was immediately on a mission to find another horse for us and after seeing 11 horses who’s description ticked all the boxes, but on viewing clearly didn’t, I found the one who I thought would be my new ‘friend for life’.

16h Irish type cob gelding. 100% in traffic, shoe etc. loads without hesitation, perfect all rounder, will jump anything you point him at. Enjoys schooling in the ménage. The most laid back, loving and affectionate temperament (although the constant licking can get a bit messy), easy to catch, lovely stable manners. Has the most gorgeous black shiny coat and very kind eyes.

This would be my description of him and probably isn’t far off the one in his original advert.

So now comes the ‘but’! The first time my daughter rode him, we were going through a field and I suggested she try a canter. She couldn’t get him to canter, so I suggested she turn him round and try again. Then from a seemingly quiet walk, he just suddenly went into a major bucking fit – literally a rodeo impression. My daughter fell off and he bucked and bucked down the field (luckily she wasn’t hurt). None of us were prepared to get back on, so I led him home.

I then had his back checked, his saddle replaced and 2 wolf teeth removed. I took him out a couple of times with company, then tried to hack alone again. On asking for canter, he started to buck, but I shouted at him and pushed him on and he stopped. We went on to have a lovely hack.

Thinking I had turned a corner with him, my confidence grew, until I went out with a friend about 6 weeks later. I popped over a small log and he did a little buck on landing. My friend said I should do it again, so I turned round and jumped back again. On landing, he did a massive buck and sort of twisted, so I was catapulted out of the saddle. I was totally winded and unable to speak for a minute or two, but managed to get up and back on. I discovered afterwards that I had fractured 2 ribs (very painful!).

After 4 weeks and no riding, I got back on again and everything seemed fine. Lots of lovely rides out with no problems. I even did a sponsored ride with 50 jumps and probably jumped 75% of them. It was a fantastic day and I was elated!

Spurred on by my new confidence in the both of us, we went to a cross country training day two weeks later.

He was like a coiled spring from the moment we got there (and usually he is so chilled), so I was a bit nervous. However, off I went…. First jump – on landing, a buck with a twist and off I come and horse canters off, bucking down the field. Me – bad knock on back of head resulting in concussion.

So… another week off riding and the decision that cross country is not for me and to stick to the hacking and pleasure rides.

2 or three weeks of lovely rides, then last night went out with friend I regularly hack with and he was again like a coiled spring. Started to buck when I asked for canter, so just pulled up and made him trot. Fine for about another 15 mins, then he starts being spooky (not usually spooky). He spooks at some horse poo, so I push him on. A few strides of normal walk, then a massive spook at nothing and off I come into the biggest pile of nettles and prickles possible. Almost as if chosen specially! Not really hurt, other than badly stung all over (didn’t realise you could get so badly stung through your jods!).

This morning I woke to an extremely painful shoulder and can’t raise my arm.

So…. What next? Wait for the next incident? Or throw in the towel on the lovely horse I have very quickly fallen in love with?

I am in my mid 40’s and don’t bounce any more!!!

I have had horses for about 30 years, but still consider myself a novice. He is only young, just turning 6. Will he grow out of it, or will I get seriously hurt waiting to find out?
I know this is a very long rant, but just don’t know what to do. I would really appreciate hearing what do others think?
 
Sounds like a horse looking for a job. And prone to excitement, rather than a horse with a problem.

So stick with him and really give him something to do - or sell him and get a horse better suited to a quieter life.


My horse is very similar (except without the bucking) and really should be in a more competative home. However, I can't bear to part with him.....
 
AmyMay, I think you are probably right - he doesn't have enough to do. I know last night was just a spook and any horse can do that, but I guess it's the worry that the bucking won't go away. I'm not cut out for that! He must have done it before I bought him, but I guess the seller omitted that part from his description....
It's just that after losing my other horse so unexpectedly, it will break my heart to part with this one.
 
Poor you -my horse is very similar a gent to do in every way but unpredictable to ride - One day he will be fine and the next bucking and spooking at everything and very nervy . Iam trying the following -cut out any heating foods , lunging before riding we will see how he improves .My boy is not a youngster hes rising 14 going on 4 however I am the same as you and at 45 dont bounce to well either ,rather a dustpan and brush to sweep up the bits !!!
 
Sell him, and sell him now. It will be easier than waiting 6 months or so.

I should have sold Thumper before Christmas - but didn't and now can't!
 
Hello CeeBee
Sounds like you've had a bit of a rotten time, and stingers are no fun at all.

My 5yo ISH can come out a bit hot and excitable, and he's had me off twice with enormous bucks same as yours, once at a xc training day and he absolutely buried me!! What I've done (not at mo, he's off work recovering from an op) is to look v carefully at his feed and ensure that he's worked hard, only when he starts to feel a bit flat does the feed get upped. He's also out as much as poss. If he's had a couple of days off, I lunge before I get on. And, if really desperate and he's being a pain, I get my trainer on board for a bit of a sort out session to remind him of his manners. As for the hacking, after he started getting quite excitable about the canter, I walked everywhere for 3 weeks, then added company, then added small trots and went from there. The bucking going into canter is not on, and you've got to be ready for that, but do make sure you're not holding on the front end when you canter, try and go in front if you can.

Have you thought about a calmer? He sounds like he's just young and green and will prob settle.
Good luck
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Is he confident and balanced in canter? Young/green horses can buck from confusion at what to do with their legs/frustration at being asked for something 'too difficult' as well as excitement. Could you get an instructor to take a look?

Also - bucking when landing from jumps - possibly pain-related? I'm no expert but might be worth having saddle re-checked and/or vet take a look at him over jumps?
 
I think you really have to be honest with yourself. If you are really determined then I am sure you will be able to get through it. However getting through it might mean a lot of time, effort and money. Is there anyone else that can ride him, maybe an instructor who could challenge him a bit more? I would definitely say it sound like he needs more to do but this could be done through more advacned schooling and lateral work rather than over jumps. If you can get him really listening to you then he might be less inclined to misbehave. Also if you get on and feel he is like a coiled spring then maybe get off and lunge him first. You will soon get to know from his behaviour whether he is going to be full of it and needs the edge taking off him before you get on.

I would also ask your instructor what they think. I felt so much mroe confident that I could deal with a problem when my instructor told me I could get through it. However when she told me I needed a bit more help I was so grateful.

Good luck. Just make sure you do what it best for both your horsey and you
 
I second the getting his back and saddle checked. Was about to say is it the saddle he came with but just saw that you've had that changed. I would still maybe double check it, geta second opinion - even though it may 'fit' technically (ie doesn't flip up when you press the cantel and doesn't slide sideways.

It could be it is pressing on certain areas of his back. The physio who does our horses has told my sister that, although on appearance her saddle does fit her horse, the gullet is a little on the narrow side up near his withers and he is quite wide in that area. He had been showing signs of discomfort, although not as extreme as yours, and after some readjusting with numnahs (we're still on the lookout for a new saddle) he is much happier.

It's just the fact the bucking seems to coincide with when he's jumping or cantering so sounds as if it's the sensation of the saddle doing something on his back movement wise - whether that be pinching the wither area or being a bit long and pressing too far back on his back - my sisters first horse bronced like mad when we got him but he was only 4. He did stop although then developed another vice (but then he was a bit of a get anyway!). He was very sensitive if anything touched too far back on him though - once his numnah slipped back and he went mental!

That would be the first route I would go down and if all well there then it could be down to sheer exuberance but in my mind a genuine horse doesn't usually act this way to be honest, or at least not to the degree you are saying. It is more often than not a pain-related reaction.
 
Thank you for all your excellent advice. In answer to some of the points raised, Sol is fed Top Spec Feed Balancer and Cool Condition Cubes with Dengi HiFi, seaweed and flyfree supplement. He gets no carrots or any other sweet stuff or treats to cut down on sugar (and nipping).
He is turned out daily from 6.30am and bought in earliest 4pm and now left out as long as possible in the evening.
I work full time so at the moment ride Tues, Wed and Fri evenings for between half an hour and and hour and on weekends for considerably longer. Perhaps he just needs a lot more than this.
I will get his back checked again, as you are right about the bucking happening on asking for canter and landing after a jump.
I also had a riding lesson on him (my first lesson in years) at a friends yard last week. He was an angel, which surprised me, as he had never been there before and there was a lot going on (including pigs squealing!). Ironically, I was supposed to be having a lesson again last night, but the instructor cancelled.. so I'll blame last nights fall on her! No, really, I will continue with the lessons and ask her honest opinion of Sol and I as a pair.
 
And I think I will also advertise him for sale to see if I can find a wonderful home for him. I don't want to give up, but if I found the right person, then maybe it would be for the best. And I can wait for the right person to come along, not just let him go anywhere, as don't really want to part with him.
 
I have a different view from many people on this forum in that I believe the most likely reason for a horse being naughty, lies in what he gets to eat and his lifestyle. ie whether he gets enough turnout/work/exercise. Your horse has had a difficult start with you, because he has been naughty and the resulting accident has injured you meaning he gets time off.

If you like him and want to persevere, I would do several things. For your own safety wear a good back protector when you ride, especially out hacking and definately jumping and "parties". Get him living out 24/7 if possible and stop his hard feed, except for really simple high fibre nuts. ISH types shouldn't need stuffing with food.

Finally make sure he gets plenty of structured work. Have a weekly lesson with a trainer you like and get them to ride the horse for some of the sessions. Even consider sending him to boot camp now and then. It is nothing to be ashamed of. professionals don't beat your horse up, they just give them plenty of discplined work.
 
I agree with AmyMay. I would advertise him. You never know, the perfect home could be searching for just him.

It is disappointing that he was sold to you, as you have been very honest on here about your abilities, as I am sure you were to the seller. He does sound like he could be a cracker but, needs a Lot more work, challenges, and to meet his match. You in turn, do not need this, and can sell him rest assured that, eventually you will find something far more suitable for you, they are out there. I am sure once he has gone to a lovely home you will feel a lot happier. It must be hard knowing now that things are just not working out. Its not a failure on your part, but something to be acted on sooner rather than later. x
 
I'd be inclined to cut his feed right back - just Hi Fi, or even Hi Fi Lite or Happy Hoof - something really low energy, with a broad spectrum vitamin and mineral supplement. You'd be amazed at what a difference a change in feed can make
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Also, check out the pain thing - might be saddle, or perhaps a "back man" could have a look. Definitely worth ruling out before you make a decision.

Finally, I think you're on the right track with having lessons on him - make sure you have an experienced instructor who is prepared to jump on him if necessary.

If you're really not sure about carrying on, then sell him on quickly before you get more attached - as AmyMay said, it will only get harder.

Good luck, whatever you decide
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Some good advice has been given and I totally agree

Cut hard feed bar some hi-fi lite and a cup of balancer like equilibria
Get teeth/back/saddle checked to eliminate any pain causes
No shame in getting a professional to school him once a week for you or perhaps send him away for reschooling
If you can keep him out 24/7 then that could be a good option

Good luck with him but I agree with AmyMay, if the above doesn't work then I'd sell him on to a good home as horses are meant to be fun and falling off all the time is just physically and mentally damaging you. xxx
 
I found myself in a very similar predicament to yourself about 3 years ago.

I made a rather stupid impulse purchase for a 16.2hh Hanovarian, who I absolutely adored. However, he turned out to be a complete shite, wouldnt load especially on the way home from an event. Spooked out on hacks, bolted in the school, wouldnt stand still to be groomed or have his feet picked out.

The last straw was when I was hacking with a friend who was riding a very sensible horse, a tractor came along and I knew he didnt like them, so my friend positioned her horse next to the tractor, all the time we were trying to ride forwards. The next thing Harry was running backwards towards a ditch, I was terrified as it was a deep ditch, then he spun round and jumped the ditch. He was a complete pysch, split personality horse.
I would have loved to have kept him and got to the bottom of his problems, but I had neither the time or money to do so, so I made the heartbreaking decision to sell him on. Sometimes you have to think about what is best for the horse as well as yourself.

good luck, and I hope you make the right decision.
 
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