Going to see puppies

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So we have found a French bulldog puppy for my daughter to go and see and a griffon for me to go and see. Anyone got any advice on what to look for . There will be no choice as both are the only ones left in the litter. Girl frenchie going today [sister] and griffon is the last one of a litter of 3 [ same Mum as Jonathan Ross's one]
So how do we make sure they are healthy and just right for us?
 
Ask to see both parents, if it is not possible to see the dog, you should at least see the bitch. Check out her general temperament. Is she friendly, bright and alert?

Puppies should be curious and alert, clabbering to get a good nosey at you. Check for nice clear eyes, good limbs and that they are clean. Look at the surroundings too, have they been well socialised/kept in a clean environment etc

The owners should also be interested in you too, and will ask you questions as well.

ETS Good luck with your search
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Thank you , the frenchie is not going to have papers as they say they want a pet home , is this normal , they have the Mum and Dad, so will see them . It is still £1000 so not cheap but they are an expensive breed.
 
I am so jealous, have been looking at Prose you tube suggestions and they are gorgeous little dogs. £ 1000 is a good price IMO for a dog without papers.
 
Do the parents of the French BD have papers and can they show you them? I would want to see them, just to prove your pup is a pedigree. It is not unheard of for papers to be withheld (or being charged extra for them) but if they make you sign a contract stating you are not allowed to breed the pups, it is not a legally binding contract.
 
TBH I wouldn't worry about papers if you don't intend to show or breed but I would still have to satisfy myself the pups weren't stolen. It is a little unusual that such dogs don't have papers as they are so expensive. Bulldog puppies were often stolen in London when I lived there cos they are so expensive there was a market for them as pets at greatly reduced prices.

On a lighter note I hope you will post piccies of your new arrivals,especially as I don't know what a griffon looks like. I am sure they will be great friends.
 
They say they have, we only want an ugly pet[ to make us look better,lol.] So I suppose papers don't really matter but it is a long way to go and see him and just hope its all ok
 
I always say, meet the brood bitch first. If you don't like her, if you can't imagine something with a similar temperament to hers in your home, please consider twice before deciding to buy a puppy from her litter.




If you have looked up what health issues there is, ask the breeder what they know about the health issues in the breed.
Do they know, do they try to explain it to you? Any responsible breeder should know the basics about what to look out for with their specific breed and what is done to try and avoid health problems. If their breeding stock is healthy (or the breed doesn't have anything specific), they should know why it is that way and some example of what it is that could have been an issue.

They shouldn't just say something like "...but my dogs doesn't have that so you don't need to worry about it..."

Remember that even breeders wearing both a pair of braces and a belt, are still only doing their best and nature doesn't always care about that.



If the puppies seems a little tired, wait a while, they maybe where playing around like loons just a while before you came, but to my knowledge healthy puppies rarely stay knackered for long.
A slightly shy puppy might only be going through a phase, but a puppy that is shy towards its breeder is a No No.


Good luck.
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I am worried about the frenchie not having papers but looking forward to seeing my griffon chap. Wish he was near I would go and see him now.

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One of my thoughts is that they judge the puppy as not being of breeding quality and instead of getting a certificate that states it can not be bred in the future, they chose to not get papers for that puppy. Personally I would be a little wary if they say it's because they want to keep the sale price down, but you don't know if you don't ask. If it is because of something in the "quality" of the puppies look, they should be able to explain it easily to you.

I told my puppy buyers that if they never would consider to show their puppy even once, there was one puppy that I knew would never become a show star. Small things like lacking enough bone, would like about 1 to maybe 3 more centimetres in tail length and such. She looks like a good averagely looking Finnish Lapphund and have a lovely personality, but judged only on her looks she is not breeding quality, although I would never choose to not sell with papers (ETS I know one should never say never, but that is how I've felt this far /ets).
Her tail length certainly only effects her value in the show ring and nothing else.

I hope it is something explainable with the non-papered one, I think it's right of you to be a little wary and wish more puppy buyer was.

Again good luck.
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My collie is pure collie (as I know the mum and the dad) but he doesn't have papers, but I dont want to show or compete him etc so it doesn;t bother me

French bulldog.......... BREATHING!!!!!!!!! biggest thing will BDs ok not as bad as a british but basically their breathing apparatus has been bred out of them! if she has a slightly longer nose GOOD! if its like she has no nose at all, its up to you but beware the forecoming vet bills!!!

Same as everyone else tho, check mum and dad as they are there! check if they ahve had any vet issues etc but also what is the puppy like, is it confident? scared? bright eyed and I would say bushy tailed, but not really for a frenchie!

also check no legs are going off at funny angles etc (i.e. check general conformation, I know they grow, but a good starting point generally leads to a better end point!)

GOod luck, let us know how it goes
 
I am probably too suspicious but one point about not having papers that would concern me is the possibility that the bitch has had more litters than the KC allow, or maybe too many consecutive litters. I used to sell my puppies with the registration certificates endorsed not for breeding. I always explained I would be happy to remove this if I felt the pup turned out suitable quality etc to breed, but as my pups nearly always went to pet homes I never had to do this.
Other than that, just agree with everyone else re checking Mums temperament, asking about health issues etc. I wouldn't be too bothered if pups father isn't on the scene. My latest pups father was in Germany so a bit far to go and see him
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Good luck with the puppy viewing.
 
Congrats on making your mind up
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Regarding the papers thing, I would be a little wary of any pedigree dog sold without papers through a breeder, or maybe I'm just going off the US standard, where every dog sold comes with papers. Stella is not show quality, but she has papers that show the age of the parent dogs when bred, as well as DNA proof that the dam and sire are, in fact, related to her.

Not to put you off, but I would be cautious. I think it's better to pay more for a pup up front than to bag a relative bargain, especially in a breed with so many potential health issues (luxating patellas, for example, are very common in Frenchies, and parents with OFA certification might save you an op that costs $$$ in the future). I would go along, anyway, see how you feel about the pup, but do not be afraid to walk away without her.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I thought I should speak up.
 
Otto has no papers. His breeders have a pedigree, and I met his Mum and half-sister, but he is not registered with the KC. However he cost aroud £300 less than a papered dog. I also saw him at 5 months old, so had a better idea of what he would grow into.
(Plus I'm a sucker for a Spaniel
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and he flew out his stable and into my arms - so it was meant to be, in my head
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Is the Pup not registered or do the Owners just not want you to have her papers?? If they have them, ask to see them. Perhaps ask them to put a breeding clause thing on her KC registration whereby you cannot register any of her litters, so you can have the Papers.

My Mum's first dog had this, it was later removed when the breeder saw him fully grown and had also investigated the bitch he was mated with.

I would be concerned with the lack of Papers, purely due to the amount of money you are spending.

But good luck
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My new pup was sold to us as a pet home, and in the contract it states that we cant register any puppies with the kennel club.... So it could be tha this is the case with your puppy.... If we did breed from her we would not be able to supply registered papers.

But we did get her 5 generation pedegree certificate and she is registered..... so we do know that she is 100% correct.

I would at least want a copy of the parents certificates to make sure that I had a correct pedegree.

Hope it all works out for you
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I've never heard of not being given papers because they want it to go to a pet home. My GSD had an endorsement in place stating that the endorsement will only be lifted for breeding purposes if she had good hip scores but she was still papered & registered with KC.

My Staffie had no papers so is not registered but I paid £500 less than if he had been papered.

Don't understand why they wouldn't want to register the litter.
 
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